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Old July 10 2014, 05:32 PM   #256
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Re: The Enterprise-E is so ugly

Hey Bob, I know this has been attempted before in the closed threads, but I'll bring up one point here for you to explain.

Why is the modelon the wall of the conference room of the aircraft carrier, the Ent-B and the Ent-A models perfectly acceptable in they're inaccuracy, but the Ent-C as represented must be the "true" look of the ship? Why the double standard?
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Old July 10 2014, 06:08 PM   #257
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Why is the model on the wall of the conference room of the aircraft carrier, the Ent-B and the Ent-A models perfectly acceptable in their inaccuracy, but the Ent-C as represented must be the "true" look of the ship? Why the double standard?
I didn’t say it must be the „true“ look (although of all the ships on the display it most accurately portrays the Enterprise-C according to the side view sketch Mr. Probert provided for the sculptor), but all the ships on the display, despite their obvious roughness, reflect distinctive features and proportions that instantly enable us to identify the ships they are supposed to represent.

As illustrated in post # 213 the roughness of the display wouldn’t enable us to tell which saucer section of both Enterprises-C would be the accurate one.

But the proportions of the engine nacelles, the nacelle pylon angle and the stardrive section are so noticeably different in both designs that the Enterprise-C golden sculpture would be the only sculpture on the display beyond immediate recognition and identification. YMMV.

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Old July 10 2014, 06:49 PM   #258
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But the proportions of the engine nacelles, the nacelle pylon angle and the stardrive section are so noticeably different in both designs that the Enterprise-C golden sculpture would be the only sculpture on the display beyond immediate recognition and identification. YMMV.

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So, what aircraft carrier is that? Surely without the angled flight deck it can't be the Enterprise? It's just too noticeably different.
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Old July 10 2014, 07:25 PM   #259
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Re: The Enterprise-E is so ugly

^ We're looking at the wrong side of the ship to see the angled flight deck. We're looking at the side with the island/bridge.

The island looks right for the original configuration of the Enterprise, since it's square.

I think all those ships are inaccurate, some more than others.
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Old July 10 2014, 07:50 PM   #260
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The more hard-edged angle taken by the Enterprise E's design is such a complete 180 from the 1701-D's design philosophy, that I honestly couldn't help feeling that something iconic about The Next Generation was actually missing in those last three movies. The actors were all there, but the spirit was lacking. The presence of 1701-E (or more particularly some of the decisions made on the drawing board during the design of the ship) was a big factor in that. 1701-D had an unique ambiance all its own which was as much a part of the TV show's success as anything else, and which the 1701-E lacked. IMO.
I agree with all of this. There was simply no good reason for the D to be destroyed. But, if they absolutely had to do it, they could have at least made the E an identical Galaxy class ship.
I am completely convinced that if they reused the "D", fans would be screaming about how they copied the TOS movies and the studio cheapened out.

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Old July 10 2014, 08:37 PM   #261
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I liked the original connie, the refit, A, B, C and E, but just outright disliked the look of the D. To be fair to "D", it looked better than Ent-J

With the exception of the E, the only TNG era fed ship I've liked the look of was the Akira class.
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Old July 10 2014, 09:51 PM   #262
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The Primary and Secondary hull is shaped like the Ambassador-class. The Pylons and neck are shaped like the Probert-C. The only thing massively not like either is the warp nacelles, which are close to what the NX-01 got.

As to the carrier model on the wall. It is one of the "soon to be" three carriers named Enterprise. That one was the CVN-65 as it looked during the 1960s. The bridge structure is a cube with a domed array on top and is extremely distinctive. No other carrier has that bridge stricture.

The more famous carrier is CV-6 USS Enterprise from World War II. The highest decorated ship of the war, serving in nearly every battle in the Pacific.

The CVN-80 USS Enterprise would definitely not show up, since it isn't finish yet in our world.

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Old July 10 2014, 10:30 PM   #263
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Re: The Enterprise-E is so ugly

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Eaves's early design for the NX-01 was my favorite. Apparently it looked too much like the original Enterprise for the producers.

His obsession with gaps and overlapping surfaces makes me crazy.
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Old July 10 2014, 10:48 PM   #264
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His obsession with gaps and overlapping surfaces makes me crazy.
That's what's been bugging me! For some reason I couldn't lay my finger on it. What would be the in-universe justification for such a design I wonder?
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Old July 10 2014, 11:49 PM   #265
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I think that design would make a nice 24th century version of the Constitution class, nacelles and all. Would look totally out of place as a ship that's supposed to be 100 years older than the TOS Enterprise, though.
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Old July 10 2014, 11:55 PM   #266
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At this point it is highly unlikely that CBS will touch anything from the older series anymore. They'd likely rather continue on with the alternate timeline than spend the time to get together the Next Generation cast again for a series or film, and they have no reason to attempt a follow on series to any of the 1987 - 2002 series. Unless they wanted to do some kind of anniversery movie set at or around the same time as "All Good Things...", which would be I think four years from now.
I know it would never happen, but I think it would be exciting to see them do a TV movie wherein the TNG cast, now at the ages they were in the "future" of AGT, and do a Back to the Future IItype scenario, where they go back in time and witness events that happened in TNG from a different perspective.

That somewhat happened with "Trials and Tribble-ations," but it was different people going back and witnessing events. This could be the same crew having to go back to a pivotal moment for some reason.
Even better would be a Hot Tub Time Machine type of scenario!!!!!
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Old July 11 2014, 09:08 AM   #267
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Well, since we're talking about all the different ships, THIS is the one I would have loved to see replace the Enterprise D:

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Old July 11 2014, 12:11 PM   #268
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So, what aircraft carrier is that? Surely without the angled flight deck it can't be the Enterprise? It's just too noticeably different.
It's the USS Enterprise, either way you look at it (WW II and present).

From a real-life perspective Andrew Probert stated that he included it for scale reference, as most spectators had an understanding of the aircraft carrier size.

Since he only provided the side view, the sculptor possibly wasn't that aware of the flight deck differences or it was a deliberate artistic decision (in-universe) to feature both with one sculpture.

@ GalaxyX

Is there ANY chance you would share with us, how you got hold of what appears to be a Season Seven Blu-ray screencap?
(Yes, I realize I might have to accept "No" for an answer)

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Old July 11 2014, 07:22 PM   #269
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@ GalaxyX

Is there ANY chance you would share with us, how you got hold of what appears to be a Season Seven Blu-ray screencap?
(Yes, I realize I might have to accept "No" for an answer)

Bob
lol no magic my friend.

I don't believe that's a Season 7 screencap, but rather someone's retexturing of the original scene.

You can read about it here:

http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/s...ead.php?t=9148

I though it was a pretty good job approximating what the true S7 Blu-Ray remaster will look like.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:52 PM   #270
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I have to disagree,if you want to see one U G L Y starship,look at the NCC 1701-J from Star Trek Enterprise thats one ugly POS
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