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Old June 30 2014, 09:13 PM   #1
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Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

I'm colorblind (actually color-deficient -- I have less contrast between specific shades in some parts of the spectrum, so that I can see less of a color range than most people.) There are software "photo-filtering" programs available that allow me to "simulate" what I see. I ran a few photos through that software to show my wife, and her impression was that the "filtered" images looked "washed out". She says she definitely wouldn't want to live with my kind of vision, because it just doesn't look "complete".

Comparing this to Geordi, who can see a much wider range of the spectrum than most humans, due to his Visor. In short, he can see a lot of "colors" that aren't accessible to most humans. But in Nemesis, he gets the chance to see with normal human eyes for a short time -- and he loves it.

I don't get it. From his perspective it's like he's suddenly seeing with the most massive colorblindness filter in history. If I were him I'd be scrambling to get my visor back!
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Old June 30 2014, 09:17 PM   #2
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

I don't think Geordi's vision with his visor is as good or something than regular sight. I think it's more informative, but less "real".
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Old June 30 2014, 09:20 PM   #3
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

I believe it's Insurrection where Geordie temporarily grows eyes. And it was established in season one ("The Naked Now", I think) that Geordie's own perspective of his condition is that he sees more than the human eye, but he doesn't consider it better. Later in "Heart of Glory," we see what Geordie sees, which is nothing like human vision. They also establish in season two that the VISOR causes him some discomfort (possibly a non issue now that he has ocular implants). From his perspective, growing new eyes, even temporarily is probably the realization of a life long dream, even if it may be a loss of ability.
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Old June 30 2014, 09:34 PM   #4
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

And oops, I put this thread in the wrong forum. Mods, can you please move?
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Old June 30 2014, 09:42 PM   #5
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

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Comparing this to Geordi, who can see a much wider range of the spectrum than most humans, due to his Visor. In short, he can see a lot of "colors" that aren't accessible to most humans.
But can he see why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?
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Old June 30 2014, 09:50 PM   #6
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

Actually I'm with the OP on this one. It was something that originally bothered in "Hide and Q" when Geordi gets his sight for a moment and tells Tasha "You're as beautiful as I imagined and more!"

And I suddenly realized, Geordi was BORN blind, he's never seen anything without the visor... so what exactly would he have imagined Tasha looked like? Methinks his real imagination would have probably rendered something that looked a lot like the visor image, in which case, there's no reason to imagine anything.

I actually think that scene would have made a lot more sense if Geordi takes off his visor, looks around the room and says "Is this what you all see when you look at the world? Man, this is... I can't even... Tasha? What?! <looks her up and down> I can't even see through your... um... Riker, Make me the way I was! Please!"
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Old June 30 2014, 09:51 PM   #7
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

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And oops, I put this thread in the wrong forum. Mods, can you please move?
Sure can.

Hold on just a moment...
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Old June 30 2014, 10:03 PM   #8
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

Seeing without constant pain has to be attractive.

Also, of the things that Geordi wants to do, seeing a sunset comes up a lot. Through his VISOR, it's possibly not that remarkable a sight. Maybe he wants to see what all the fuss is about?
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Old June 30 2014, 10:43 PM   #9
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

Usually, people are also impressed by "different". He saw the world this way for his whole life, and finally got the chance to see it in a different... light. It's not better or worse, it's impressive nonetheless.
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Old June 30 2014, 10:56 PM   #10
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

Geordi's always been pretty diplomatic. He probably pretended he liked "normal" vision better so as to not hurt "normal" people's feelings.
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Old July 1 2014, 03:39 PM   #11
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

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Seeing without constant pain has to be attractive.

Also, of the things that Geordi wants to do, seeing a sunset comes up a lot. Through his VISOR, it's possibly not that remarkable a sight. Maybe he wants to see what all the fuss is about?
That doesn't seem right. In other parts of the spectrum Geordi would be able to see a lot of other things, like the star's corona which isn't visible for us. I believe he could also see its magnetic field. That sounds a lot more interesting than just the "big bright blob" that a human with normal eyes could see.
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Old July 1 2014, 04:14 PM   #12
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

You're probably right. But that would make it even more compelling to find out what normal sighted people were harping on about! ;-)
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Old July 1 2014, 07:24 PM   #13
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

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You're probably right. But that would make it even more compelling to find out what normal sighted people were harping on about! ;-)
I still maintain that after the initial thrill of finally having "normal" vision, Geordi would probably find the entire experience somewhat disappointing.

It's all sort of based on his drunken rant in "Naked Now" when he says "I see more, but more isn't better." Since he doesn't actually have a point of comparison to make that statement, his line in Insurrection would be "I guess more is better."
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Old July 2 2014, 12:21 AM   #14
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

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Comparing this to Geordi, who can see a much wider range of the spectrum than most humans, due to his Visor.
Sir, Lieutenant La Forge's eyes are far superior to human biological eyes. True? Then why are not all human officers required to have their eyes replaced with cybernetic implants?

You can move really fast when you drive a car, but I suppose you would really sad to lose your ability to walk.
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Old July 2 2014, 06:24 PM   #15
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Re: Nemesis: why is Geordi so impressed with "normal" vision?

If I am interpreting right...Geordi's VISOR vision is like getting overwhelming info that he has to sort through.

It'd be like living life with constantly having loud background noise. You might be able to downplay it for certain instances, but it's still there. The new eyes helps him focus his vision.

If they every did revision to TNG (like they did with TOS), it'd be nice to see more instances of Geordi's visual perspective
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