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Old July 2 2014, 09:46 PM   #31
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I am a fan so I would choose quality over quantity.
If the majority of ratings sites and box office returns are to be believed, you got both with Star Trek Into Darkness.
But for Michael Bay, There Can Only Be One.
So what you're saying is that we need to get Queen to record the movie's title theme. I agree.
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Old July 4 2014, 09:03 AM   #32
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Some more from the writing team in part 2 of Trekcore's interview.
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Old July 6 2014, 04:55 AM   #33
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Some more from the writing team in part 2 of Trekcore's interview.
I'm slowly feeling better about this movie the more I hear from these writers and also Orci is separate interviews. I'm happy at least that the movie will be set in deep space and have a more exploration based theme. I'm also glad the origin story aspect can finally be put to rest and we can get more mature versions of the characters. I was getting tired of the constant Kirk insta-promotions/demotions and the Star-Trek-90210-teen-angst feel of some of the characters. I like how the interviewer called them out on that.
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Old July 6 2014, 08:12 AM   #34
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i was hoping for exploration so bad. I am pumped.
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Old July 6 2014, 08:34 AM   #35
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Over-the-top villains like Khan are nice to have, but are not necessary for every film unless you insist on conforming the franchise to the superhero comic-book mold.
You mean, the movies that actually make big money for the studios.
Nemesis had an over-the-top villain in Shinzon. Didn't make big money. It takes more than a rug-chewing villain to put butts in seats.

BTW, the top movie of the last year was Frozen, which featured a theatrical but not very "evil" villain in Elsa. Hans became the evil one, but he was not the draw of the film. If anything he dragged the film down the most, because he was the least credible.

It's just not necessary to have over-the-top mustache-twisting villains to make money.
Blade Runner had a charismatic villain but he wasn't really the villain was he?
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Old July 6 2014, 01:05 PM   #36
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Roy Batty wasn't the villian, no. Tyrell, I suppose, was. He, his company, and its subsidiaries didn't just create "Replicants." They also created the situation the whole movie revolves around. And it's very clear that this is the case, because of the manner in how he meets his end. He's informed from the source as to what the problem really is with his product and given the opportunity to do something about it. When he stubbornly refuses to explore the matter farther than he already has, Tyrell gets what's coming to him. Unfortunately, though, the system is still in place and the only way to really deal with the replicant problem remains the way the system is set up to handle it.
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Old July 6 2014, 01:34 PM   #37
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i was hoping for exploration so bad. I am pumped.
I'm not so sure. Maybe it's because I love the Trek mythos so much and enjoy seeing stories which delve into it, and am weary after so many generic aliens of the week in TNG, VOY and ENT. Gonna keep an open mind, though.
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Old July 7 2014, 04:17 AM   #38
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I thought stories about exploration were most of the Trek mythos.
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Old July 7 2014, 07:07 AM   #39
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I thought stories about exploration were most of the Trek mythos.
What's interesting in the mythos is the more popular aspects are the ones that are not about exploration. TWOK, TUC, FC are all epic clashes with big villains.

Even some of the more popular TOS episodes are ones like "Balance of Terror" or the "Doomsday Machine," just as quick references.

I personally am hoping for more exploration too, but I have a feeling it will be exposing a threat and then having to prevent it from getting to Earth.
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Old July 7 2014, 10:25 AM   #40
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I'm hoping for something with a lot of suspense. I'll be interested regardless, but something that inspires the same tension I felt the first time I watched "Balance of Terror" would be awesome.
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Old July 7 2014, 10:36 AM   #41
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What we keep on coming back to is the basic credo of Star Trek, that opening prologue you hear at the beginning of each Original Series episode. That's our mantra for what we're trying to accomplish here.
They at least say a lot of things people like to hear, you gotta give them that.

[ETA: Just read the part where J.D. Payne draws parallels between Millenials and nuKirk. I withdraw my earlier statement ]

Still very much looking forward to it.
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Old July 7 2014, 03:13 PM   #42
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Yeah, it's a very generic "Love you, baby, you're looking good" kind of interview. Tells us bupkis about the next movie.
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Old July 7 2014, 05:58 PM   #43
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Roy Batty wasn't the villian, no.
Perhaps Deckard was. But Batty was no hero, either. He treated Sebastian cruelly. I'm just glad the death scene was off-camera. Listening to Tyrell die with your own eyes closed or open is horrible enough.
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Old July 7 2014, 08:06 PM   #44
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Roy Batty wasn't the villian, no. Tyrell, I suppose, was.
They are both villains. Batty is the equivalent of a cancer patient who is so angry with his mortality that he shoots up a Burger King while shaking his fist to God. Sure, you can understand why he might be upset that he got the short end of the stick, and he gives a good death scene soliloquy, but that doesn't absolve him of his violent acts. He has dimension in the end, and one can feel some sympathy for his plight, but he's still a villain.
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Old July 7 2014, 08:18 PM   #45
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I thought stories about exploration were most of the Trek mythos.
What's interesting in the mythos is the more popular aspects are the ones that are not about exploration. TWOK, TUC, FC are all epic clashes with big villains.

Even some of the more popular TOS episodes are ones like "Balance of Terror" or the "Doomsday Machine," just as quick references.

I personally am hoping for more exploration too, but I have a feeling it will be exposing a threat and then having to prevent it from getting to Earth.
Out of all the movies there are really only two that can be described as lacking a 'villain', and one of those two (TVH) is still fairly highly ranked by a lot of people. I think a reasonably objective poll would find it roughly as popular as TUC or FC, if not TWOK. So the fact that there are more popular movies with villains may have less to do with the idea that people love villains than it does with the fact that the studios haven't bothered to MAKE non-villain movies very much. Look at the series where it is much more common and you will see (i would expect, at least) that the popularity gap between the two styles is much smaller.

See, for instance, City on the Edge of Forever, the Naked Time, the Inner Light, In the Pale Moonlight, etc.
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