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Old July 1 2014, 04:14 AM   #16
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Re: New writers speak

Do you think that the modern, “action movie” style of Trek film is a necessity to draw in today’s movie-going audience, or could a more intangible threat – like V’GER from The Motion Picture, or the “save the whales” time travel mission from Star Trek IV – still succeed in 2014?

Patrick McKay: I'd sure like to think so!
I'd like to think so too... Hopefully they'll take their time a little bit and tell a good story. Since the TNG films we've been getting cliche action movies with Star Trek themes and characters. Picard, Kirk or Spock have to beam to a planet or ship and punch a cartoonish villain at the end. The new movies weren't bad mostly because they were well cast and a had great production design and special effects...but Star Trek can be so much more than that. There is a whole universe that can be explored.

I'm holding out for a new TV series. With the movie industry dominated by big budget formulaic CGI fests that have to play it safe to make back their enormous budgets, TV has become the superior medium for story telling.
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Old July 1 2014, 04:45 AM   #17
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The TNG episode names he rattled off from the top of his head certainly made a good impression, I like all of them quite a bit
Just a pity that naming good episodes is not an indicator of the ability to write a good script.
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Old July 1 2014, 05:06 AM   #18
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From a marketing standpoint, I think Paramount will insist on an adversary of some sort.
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Old July 1 2014, 10:07 AM   #19
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The TNG episode names he rattled off from the top of his head certainly made a good impression, I like all of them quite a bit
Just a pity that naming good episodes is not an indicator of the ability to write a good script.
It certainly is an indicator for my ability to instantly like these guys. As for everything else, I'd look at their earlier work, as Dennis said.
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Old July 1 2014, 02:52 PM   #20
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Especially since it may well take two additional decades to determine what, if anything, was cool on TNG.
I really don't get the severity of the TNG backlash.
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Old July 1 2014, 03:17 PM   #21
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From a marketing standpoint, I think Paramount will insist on an adversary of some sort.
Over-the-top villains like Khan are nice to have, but are not necessary for every film unless you insist on conforming the franchise to the superhero comic-book mold.

V'Ger was technically the adversary in TMP, but V'Ger didn't rug-chew the way a traditional hate-driven villain does. It created plenty of death and destruction as a byproduct of its cosmic identity crisis.

The trick was to setup events in such a way that the Enterprise crew tries to _understand_ the adversary and not merely conquer it via phasers and fisticuffs.

It's unfortunate that How to Train your Dragon 2 is not doing as well as the studio hoped, but that's the whole premise of that universe, that Hiccup represents engagement and peacemaking. I think there's a direct connection between how Hiccup tries to resolve conflict and how Trek (TNG especially) tried to resolve conflict.

The problem is, culturally, we'd rather have a thrill-ride with cardboard cutout villains that can be knocked down like a videogame than to really think.
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Old July 1 2014, 03:27 PM   #22
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As for everything else, I'd look at their earlier work, as Dennis said.
Yes, you should definitely check out all their previous credits. All of them.
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Old July 1 2014, 09:26 PM   #23
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I enjoyed them referring to Star Wars and Indiana Jones as "all those chestnuts from the period."

I don't see anything there to suggest that the plan for Star Trek 3 is to go villainless.
Wont it be fascinating if Star Trek 3 turns out to be a better film than Star Wars Episode 7? What are the chances of that?
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Old July 1 2014, 10:24 PM   #24
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I'd say it's got a decent chance
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Old July 2 2014, 01:08 PM   #25
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From a marketing standpoint, I think Paramount will insist on an adversary of some sort.
Over-the-top villains like Khan are nice to have, but are not necessary for every film unless you insist on conforming the franchise to the superhero comic-book mold.
You mean, the movies that actually make big money for the studios.
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Old July 2 2014, 07:01 PM   #26
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From a marketing standpoint, I think Paramount will insist on an adversary of some sort.
Over-the-top villains like Khan are nice to have, but are not necessary for every film unless you insist on conforming the franchise to the superhero comic-book mold.
You mean, the movies that actually make big money for the studios.
Nemesis had an over-the-top villain in Shinzon. Didn't make big money. It takes more than a rug-chewing villain to put butts in seats.

BTW, the top movie of the last year was Frozen, which featured a theatrical but not very "evil" villain in Elsa. Hans became the evil one, but he was not the draw of the film. If anything he dragged the film down the most, because he was the least credible.

It's just not necessary to have over-the-top mustache-twisting villains to make money.
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Old July 2 2014, 07:41 PM   #27
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I am a fan so I would choose quality over quantity. which means Ii rather have an excellent story and not have the film make much money bot goes on to become a classic and ends up making more money than it ever did during its run in the cinemas.

however the big bosses in the studio care about money over a good story.

so we all want success just different kinds of success. fans will choose quality success, the big producers will choose quantity success. so what do we do?
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Old July 2 2014, 07:43 PM   #28
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There are other ways of creating blockbuster mayhem with exciting action and laughs without The Big Black Hat villain. It just has to “look f**king awesome” in the previews and you’ll get them in. Giant robots, exploding buildings, screaming people, some dubstep on the soundtrack and BLANG: Zillion Dollar Opening Weekend.

Throw in a story about something a little deeper in the mix and there ya go.
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Old July 2 2014, 08:19 PM   #29
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I am a fan so I would choose quality over quantity.
If the majority of ratings sites and box office returns are to be believed, you got both with Star Trek Into Darkness.
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I am a fan so I would choose quality over quantity.
If the majority of ratings sites and box office returns are to be believed, you got both with Star Trek Into Darkness.
But for Michael Bay, There Can Only Be One.
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