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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 28 2014, 07:08 AM   #16
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

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I like First Contact best of them, but don't like the goofball planetside scenes. The writers' treatment of Cochrane seems to be 'ha ha look at the country bumpkin!'
Agreed. Someone tell me with a straight face that this Zefram Cochrane is the same guy we saw in Metamorphosis (and I don't mean actor-wise).
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Old June 28 2014, 09:46 PM   #17
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

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I like First Contact best of them, but don't like the goofball planetside scenes. The writers' treatment of Cochrane seems to be 'ha ha look at the country bumpkin!'
Agreed. Someone tell me with a straight face that this Zefram Cochrane is the same guy we saw in Metamorphosis (and I don't mean actor-wise).
*said in complete seriousness*

Doing something amazing and meeting aliens may have restored his worldview and behavior.

After WWIII, Cochrane developed PTSD. The PTSD led Cochrane to develop depression. The depression led Cochrane to start drinking and develop alcoholism. After all of that, he just stopped working on the Phoenix. Using all of Cochrane's work, Lily took over the project and completed the construction and preparation. Flying the Phoenix and meeting aliens afterwards restored him back to the guy he was before. He was always the guy from Metamorphosis, we meet him in FC when he had just hit rock bottom.
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Old June 28 2014, 11:27 PM   #18
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

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I like First Contact best of them, but don't like the goofball planetside scenes. The writers' treatment of Cochrane seems to be 'ha ha look at the country bumpkin!'
I guess most of us are aware Tom Hanks was under consideration for the role at one point.

As well as being a much closer and more believable physical match for Glen Corbett, I do wonder if the more overt comedic overtones inherent in the movie versions character may have been toned down and brought more into line with "Metamorphosis"?
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Old June 29 2014, 02:41 AM   #19
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Anything but what we got.

Also, comedy in StarTrek, except IV (*), was a sure-fire failure recipe. Ergo, producers are stupid.

(I always wanted to use the word "ergo" in a post. Thanks for the opportunity)

(*) - And the "tiny" bit with Sulu in III
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Old June 29 2014, 02:49 AM   #20
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Anything but what we got.

Also, comedy in StarTrek, except IV (*), was a sure-fire failure recipe. Ergo, producers are stupid.

(I always wanted to use the word "ergo" in a post. Thanks for the opportunity)

(*) - And the "tiny" bit with Sulu in III
I loved the "how many fingers am I holding up?" bit.
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Old June 29 2014, 06:05 AM   #21
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Can't recall the last time I watched one, they seem so ick compared to the 1st 6, like lifetime/syfy movie like.
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Old June 29 2014, 10:48 AM   #22
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

Let me put it this way: I don't watch them alongside the other movies.

I'll happily watch 1-6 back to back, and I'll watch GEN-NEM back to back, but typically I'll only ever watch the latter if I'm already doing a marathon screen through of the TNG series from start to finish anyway. I never transition from TUC directly on to GENS, and I almost never simply pop one of the TNG movies in and watch it in isolation either. But I'll seldom do that last thing with the TOS movies either, so that isn't just an TNG thing.

But yeah. I tend to keep a line of seperation between them. When I think of Star Trek Movies I tend to think of 1-6 as being a cohesive unit in and of themselves, whereas I think of the TNG movies as just being post-scripts to the superior TV show. And I will usually only watch them as such...
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Old June 29 2014, 01:27 PM   #23
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Didn't help they offed the Galaxy-class Enterprise and replaced it with the super-ugly Sovereign-class.
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Old June 29 2014, 01:38 PM   #24
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Can't recall the last time I watched one, they seem so ick compared to the 1st 6, like lifetime/syfy movie like.
Yeah, I must admit I watch the TOS/JJ movies regularly as opposed to annually or less with the TNG entries.
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Old June 29 2014, 02:01 PM   #25
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Only when I'm on a run through the entire film set. Don't know that I have EVER picked out a TNG movie to watch otherwise. At least not after the new release mania calmed down. I do remember frequently watching Nemesis for the SFX after its release. Now, no.

As with LOKAI, I do watch JJ and some of the TOS movies outside of the marathons.
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Old June 30 2014, 04:29 PM   #26
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

Like I said above, the strangest thing for me is that I just can't watch the TNG movies alongside the rest, despite GENS trying very hard to provide a plausible 'bridge between generations'. I don't know if its because the "TV team" of Berman and co were behind them, but all of the TNG movies just feel like extensions of the TV shows. For some reason the TOS movies don't feel like that. I can watch any of the first six, or indeed the Abrams films, either in isolation or as part of a run. The TNG movies I just can't bring myself to sit down and watch in their own right, they have to either be a part of a run through of the TV shows or I don't watch them at all. I don't know if that's common in the fandom though...
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Old June 30 2014, 07:35 PM   #27
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I like First Contact best of them, but don't like the goofball planetside scenes. The writers' treatment of Cochrane seems to be 'ha ha look at the country bumpkin!'
Seriously this is my biggest complaint about the movie.

There's about 5 minutes of coolness at the beginning of the film with the Borg battle.

Then they spend the rest of the movie, half of the time with "drunkie" below, and the other half on the ship with the Borg Queen trying to have sex with Data.

Fanwank at it's best

Didn't help they offed the Galaxy-class Enterprise and replaced it with the super-ugly Sovereign-class.
True idiotic decision.

The ship was part of the show. You can't do Back to the Future 2 with the Delorean being crushed and being replaced with a Pontiac Solstice.

But they thought they could crush the Galaxy and replace it with that horrible insect looking thing that we got?
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Old June 30 2014, 07:52 PM   #28
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

Sure I watch them, but no more or less then the other Trek movies. Some I like more then others, but the same can be said for the TOS movies.
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Old June 30 2014, 08:14 PM   #29
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

No. They're all rotten.

First Contact is less rotten than the others.

I heartily disagree about the ships though. Ditching the vile, ungainly and squashed looking Enterprise D for the elegant and poised E was a good move !
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Old June 30 2014, 08:17 PM   #30
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Re: Do you watch TNG movies?

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Didn't help they offed the Galaxy-class Enterprise and replaced it with the super-ugly Sovereign-class.
I for one was happy to see the Sovereign. It looks far more Enterprise-like than the D.

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the TNG movies just feel like extensions of the TV shows. For some reason the TOS movies don't feel like that.
It's because TNG went straight to movies without "resting". And so everything about it, right on down to the recycling of sets and props and models, just made the films feel like big-budget TV-movies. We weren't given time to "miss" the TNG crew. Lots of people miss them now, but they didn't when Generations came out. If the TNG movies had started around the time Nemesis came out, then it could track more of a TOS-film way (albeit challenging due to Data not aging unlike Brent Spiner).

TOS, on the other hand, had a 10 year gap and was completely retooled when it made the leap to the movies. The production design made a very strong shift from the 60s aesthetic to the Star Wars era of motion-control. This is symbolized with the Enterprise Refit rolling out of drydock, and all the other films surfed on that new foundation.
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