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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 27 2014, 05:40 PM   #1
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Generation & Nexus

In 'Generations' Tolian Soran really wants to get back to the nexus, Guinan has been there...

But why did they leave there if it was so great place to be...?

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Old June 27 2014, 05:47 PM   #2
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Re: Generation & Nexus

As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
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Old June 27 2014, 06:39 PM   #3
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LOKAI of CHERON wrote: View Post
As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
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Old June 27 2014, 06:43 PM   #4
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Re: Generation & Nexus

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As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
You're right! The whole "echo" deal is never really explained.
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Old June 27 2014, 06:52 PM   #5
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Re: Generation & Nexus

To be honest, I think that movie is just bad...
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Old June 27 2014, 07:00 PM   #6
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To be honest, I think that movie is just bad...
It has some genuinely nice moments. But the plot is a mess, likely because Moore and Braga were writing the film at the same time as serving on the TNG writing staff and writing "All Good Things..."

I think things would've turned out so much better if they had waited an additional year to launch the TNG movies.
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Old June 28 2014, 09:37 PM   #7
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Re: Generation & Nexus

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To be honest, I think that movie is just bad...
It has some genuinely nice moments. But the plot is a mess, likely because Moore and Braga were writing the film at the same time as serving on the TNG writing staff and writing "All Good Things..."

I think things would've turned out so much better if they had waited an additional year to launch the TNG movies.
When I was listening to the Generations DVD commentary between Moore and Braga, they do joke about regularly confusing themselves as they were writing both scripts at the same time. Having two scripts involving time-traveling starship captains and space anomalies being written by the same two guys was probably not the best idea by Paramount.

I agree, they should have waited a year before trying the first TNG film.
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Old June 28 2014, 11:46 PM   #8
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As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
How do you know he didn't?
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Old June 28 2014, 11:50 PM   #9
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Re: Generation & Nexus

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As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
How do you know he didn't?
That's the thing though, we don't know if every "visitor" leaves an echo, only Guinan for whatever reason, only if you get there on a Tuesday etc.
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Old June 29 2014, 04:23 PM   #10
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Re: Generation & Nexus

LOKAI of CHERON wrote: View Post
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As I understand it, the Enterprise B "rips" them away during the fateful SS Lakul rescue mission. Guinan leaves "an echo" of herself behind.
If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
You're right! The whole "echo" deal is never really explained.
So much about the Nexus is never explained. How do Kirk and Picard get "out" of it when they leave to stop Soran?

Or do they even get out of it at all? What if the rest of Generations and the movies that follow are all part of Picard's Nexus fantasy, and in reality Soran was successful and the crew of Enterprise-D were killed when the planet was destroyed?
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Old June 29 2014, 04:31 PM   #11
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Re: Generation & Nexus

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If they were both El-Aurian: shouldn't Soran have left an echo behind as well?
You're right! The whole "echo" deal is never really explained.
What if the rest of Generations and the movies that follow are all part of Picard's Nexus fantasy, and in reality Soran was successful and the crew of Enterprise-D were killed when the planet was destroyed?
Actually, quite an appealing idea when applied to Nemesis!
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Old June 29 2014, 04:42 PM   #12
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So much about the Nexus is never explained. How do Kirk and Picard get "out" of it when they leave to stop Soran?
Easy: they ride off on horseback into the sunset!

I still can't understand how they got in. This nexus could tear a starship to pieces, utterly destroy a planet on contact, but people just pass into it harmlessly?

That 'echo' thing was unexplained and vague. It sounded more like something that would be acceptable in a different type of movie, like, say, The Neverending Story, or something.
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Old June 29 2014, 04:46 PM   #13
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Re: Generation & Nexus

The Nexus is just one big, unfocused, messy fudge of a idea. Still, GEN remains my favourite TNG movie - and I love Dennis McCarthy's Nexus theme.
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Old June 29 2014, 05:29 PM   #14
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and I love Dennis McCarthy's Nexus theme.
Yes, no argument there!
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Old June 29 2014, 06:39 PM   #15
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Re: Generation & Nexus

The Nexus doesn't make much sense when you stop and think about it.

But the music is amazing. In fact I think Generations is a relatively good film up until all the nonsense in the Nexus bogs everything down. The big meeting between Kirk and Picard is a damp squib too.
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