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Old June 24 2014, 04:16 AM   #16
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I enjoyed the pilot. Not what I'll call a favourite, but fun and decent entertainment. Bit confused, is the Russian guy they captured still alive?

BTW, has anyone read the novel this show is based on? I'm nearly finished it, and man is it different than the show. Aside from the name of the ship, there aren't any other similarities. For example, the book looks at life of a US Navy destroyer which is the sole survivor or world wide nuclear war. The book is... an experience. A chore to get through at times (over 600 pages of really small print). The novel is told from the Captain's first person perspective, and in the novel, not only is he different from the character on the show, he's quite an odd character in general with outdated ideas about women serving in the Navy and an odd love of the sea. I don't recommend the book.
I downloaded it when I realized the show was based on it. None of what you said surprises me. The book was first published in 1988, a time when not many women served aboard US Navy ships. William Brinkley was probably trying to cash in on the technothriller fever of the Reagan years and got left behind.
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Old June 24 2014, 04:47 AM   #17
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Yeah, it didn't bother me per se, it just came out of nowhere... as did the Russian helicopters, now that I think on it. Was there a Russian ship nearby? A secret underground ice fortress?

Also, a running gag in which the skipper speaks every language ever could get pretty funny...
Hey, in White Collar, Neal Caffrey went from being an intelligent con artist to a brilliant artist who can create anything and everything he needs. Why can't the skipper suddenly have the ability to speak 400 languages, absorb electricity and shoot it out his fingertips, communicate with dolphins, and be immune to the virus?
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Old June 24 2014, 05:51 AM   #18
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BTW, has anyone read the novel this show is based on? I'm nearly finished it, and man is it different than the show. Aside from the name of the ship, there aren't any other similarities. For example, the book looks at life of a US Navy destroyer which is the sole survivor or world wide nuclear war. The book is... an experience. A chore to get through at times (over 600 pages of really small print).
I read it a few years ago and stashed it somewhere without making up my mind. I planned to pull it out again when the show came out, but I haven't seen the show. Now I'm not sure about either.

Brinkley sure manages to convey a picture of a destroyed world without hope. So much that reading hundreds of pages was just tedious. Then the hope he does provide stands out like a sore thumb. The island is totally untouched by the radiation and weather patterns that make every other bit of land uninhabitable ... why, again? And that business at the climax regarding the ship and the missiles was just plain over the top.
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Old June 24 2014, 03:00 PM   #19
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Yeah, it didn't bother me per se, it just came out of nowhere... as did the Russian helicopters, now that I think on it. Was there a Russian ship nearby? A secret underground ice fortress?

Also, a running gag in which the skipper speaks every language ever could get pretty funny...
Well, in the book,
but that wouldn't really be any help to a helicopter. Maybe there is an ice fortress nearby.

As for the captain knowing every language ever, I guess it would depend on how it's handled. It could be amusing, as you say, or it could also be completely unbelievable. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

BTW, I just had a random thought about how the virus is going to be cured (speculation only). What if in the end, even after they test every permutation of whatever they found in the Arctic they discover something missing, and it turns out to be dog DNA, resulting in the SEALS's pet Admiral Halsey to be humanity's hero and saviour?
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Old June 24 2014, 04:56 PM   #20
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Yeah, it didn't bother me per se, it just came out of nowhere... as did the Russian helicopters, now that I think on it. Was there a Russian ship nearby? A secret underground ice fortress?

Also, a running gag in which the skipper speaks every language ever could get pretty funny...
Well, in the book,
but that wouldn't really be any help to a helicopter. Maybe there is an ice fortress nearby.
Overthinking. All you need for an ad hoc air land base is a flat piece of ice, which the russian troops and choppers could have been delivered to long before Nathan James arrived, given that the bad guys seem to have a guy in the ship that can tell them where she's going.

the captain knowing every language ever, I guess it would depend on how it's handled. It could be amusing, as you say, or it could also be completely unbelievable. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
I don't know why the language thing is being harped on. It's entirely possible for the captain to "just happen to know Russian." Naval officers don't spend their entire careers locked in ships only with other english speakers. part of their career track involves rotations on land. maybe one of this captain's land rotations involved dealing with a Russian counterpart and he decided to learn the language to make the task easier. The fact that he has to face russian adversaries now is a coincidence. It's not something to bitch about.
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Old June 24 2014, 04:57 PM   #21
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I saw the show and didn't think it was too bad compared to all the crap on TV these days. I also recorded Falling Skies. I had stopped watching that sometime in season 2 but thought I might give it another shot. Though I don't have high hopes.

I thought the Captain holding the breaker (or fuse, whatever it was) seemed a bit ridiculous. If you were going to do it . . . why not use some rubber gloves or something non conductive between yourself and the possible electric path.

But hey . . . its a TV show.
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Old June 24 2014, 05:08 PM   #22
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I enjoyed this show and it's a lot better than some of the other stuff on currently. Also, the general quality was really high. E.g. when they discharge the shell to shoot helicopters and the casing falls on the deck plating of the ship. Great visual, and sound for that matter - it didn't even appear to be CGI.

I'll stick with this for now. The challenge - like with the Walking Dead - is that they have to make some powerful characters or the storyline will fall apart quickly. Moving from location to location and scavenging fuel, food, and spare parts will become boring quickly without some powerful back stories to make the whole thing work.
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Old June 24 2014, 06:34 PM   #23
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I thought the Captain holding the breaker (or fuse, whatever it was) seemed a bit ridiculous. If you were going to do it . . . why not use some rubber gloves or something non conductive between yourself and the possible electric path.
Because he's badass!
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Old June 24 2014, 07:12 PM   #24
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I thought it was pretty good, and I liked it better than Falling Skies. Although I can see it going off track pretty quickly, especially if the Russians keep showing up like I think they will.
Michael Bay really needs an alias, because I was seriously not going to watch it because it had his name on it, until I saw that Adam Baldwin is on the show.
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Old June 24 2014, 07:14 PM   #25
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It was enjoyable which is all a TV show should be. It'll take up the space between now and the Walking Dead's premiere.
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Old June 25 2014, 02:20 AM   #26
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I enjoyed the pilot. Not what I'll call a favourite, but fun and decent entertainment. Bit confused, is the Russian guy they captured still alive?

BTW, has anyone read the novel this show is based on? I'm nearly finished it, and man is it different than the show. Aside from the name of the ship, there aren't any other similarities. For example, the book looks at life of a US Navy destroyer which is the sole survivor or world wide nuclear war. The book is... an experience. A chore to get through at times (over 600 pages of really small print). The novel is told from the Captain's first person perspective, and in the novel, not only is he different from the character on the show, he's quite an odd character in general with outdated ideas about women serving in the Navy and an odd love of the sea. I don't recommend the book.
I downloaded it when I realized the show was based on it. None of what you said surprises me. The book was first published in 1988, a time when not many women served aboard US Navy ships. William Brinkley was probably trying to cash in on the technothriller fever of the Reagan years and got left behind.
I read it back then I don't remember it having the umpf of a war story that techno thrillers had. I was never compelled to reread it the multiple times like I had with the best of the genre. wasn't there a 50's movie with the same basic story of a last crew surviving the nuclear apocalypse? Only it that case the women were civilians on the beach not crew mates.

The story about a modern naval ship not by Douglass Reeman drew me in. IIRC it was before Poyer's Commander Lenson series.


I would admit I was bothered by practically the first scene with a US Naval officer saluting uncovered. And then you would think that destroyer was a battleship by the way she ignored those missile hits.
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Old June 25 2014, 02:21 PM   #27
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I would admit I was bothered by practically the first scene with a US Naval officer saluting uncovered. And then you would think that destroyer was a battleship by the way she ignored those missile hits.
That's true, I don't remember much in the way of damage reports or seeing actual damage to the ship in later shots. They were hit by what . . . 2-3 missiles?

Maybe they were also out testing a new age force field!

I also thought the suicide on the cruise liner was a bit forced. I remember wondering how long those people had been dead since the blood on the body he fell on still seemed pretty viscous (and was the victim suffer from wounds rather than just succumbing to the disease?). But that was just curiosity on my part. All I really kept thinking was, I hope they take the guy's gear. I mean how many protective suits and how much personal gear can there be on a naval ship? Then later they mentioned they had 80 bio suits on board.

I also wondered how many other ships would have been available. Especially the nuclear powered ships. I can see the aircraft carriers being more susceptible to infections but wouldn't the US have wanted to keep at least a few of the nuclear submarines already out in the ocean safe from harm in case they were needed later? (Nuclear payloads anyone???)
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I also wondered how many other ships would have been available. Especially the nuclear powered ships. I can see the aircraft carriers being more susceptible to infections but wouldn't the US have wanted to keep at least a few of the nuclear submarines already out in the ocean safe from harm in case they were needed later? (Nuclear payloads anyone???)
The name of the show is, "The Last Ship," not the, "Last Sub." That will be coming up by season 3 as a spin off series should this show prove to be successful.
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I also wondered how many other ships would have been available. Especially the nuclear powered ships. I can see the aircraft carriers being more susceptible to infections but wouldn't the US have wanted to keep at least a few of the nuclear submarines already out in the ocean safe from harm in case they were needed later? (Nuclear payloads anyone???)
The name of the show is, "The Last Ship," not the, "Last Sub." That will be coming up by season 3 as a spin off series should this show prove to be successful.
Without giving too much away, a sub ends up being very integral to the book.
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Now if he starts speaking whatever language is needed in subsequent episodes, it'll be stretching things a bit.
He also appeared to speak Italian when they boarded the cruise ship and he and Rhona Mitra discovered the survivor.

My query was where did the nuke detonate - it appeared to be heading over southern England, and my thought was that they were trying to bomb London. But the location of detonation never got mentioned -
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