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Old June 24 2014, 07:15 PM   #31
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Re: Star Trek: The Compendium

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Actually it would be the sides of the picture that would be cropped in a 16:9 version. More picture information exists in the Blu-ray.
No. In case of the TUC DVDs nothing has been cropped. There is actually more picture on the top and on the bottom, which makes the BD feel kind of cropped, although the BD represents the original theatrical cut and aspect ratio.
To illustrate what Oso Blanco said:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/80559
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Old June 24 2014, 07:32 PM   #32
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Actually it would be the sides of the picture that would be cropped in a 16:9 version. More picture information exists in the Blu-ray.
No. In case of the TUC DVDs nothing has been cropped. There is actually more picture on the top and on the bottom, which makes the BD feel kind of cropped, although the BD represents the original theatrical cut and aspect ratio.
To illustrate what Oso Blanco said:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/80559
There's more information at the bottom of the DVD, but the sides and top are cropped compared to the Blu-ray. Not to mention that the Blu-ray has better detail and color reproduction.
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Old June 24 2014, 07:44 PM   #33
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There's more information at the bottom of the DVD, but the sides and top are cropped compared to the Blu-ray.
Actually it's not cropped. I just quickly made the comparison using captures on TrekCore. The two shots are a few frames off (notice Uhura) and since it's a moving shot the sides are a few to sides of the frame don't match exactly. Admittedly, a static shot would have been less confusing.

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Not to mention that the Blu-ray has better detail and color reproduction.
That's to be expected. We're comparing DVD to Blu-Ray screen captures. Blu-Ray will always have better detail and colors and really doesn't have anything to do with the discussion between the framing...
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Old June 24 2014, 07:54 PM   #34
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Fair enough. But the framing on the Blu-ray still looks a hell of a lot better than the 16:9 versions we had on home video prior to the Blu-ray.

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/2469...edcountry.html

In addition to being the first home video release of the movie's theatrical cut, the Blu-ray is also the first time that it's appeared in its original 2.35:1 aspect ratio. 'Star Trek VI' is the only 'Trek' picture to date photographed using the Super 35 format. For previous video editions, director Nicholas Meyer instructed that the mattes be lifted off the top and bottom, exposing some extra picture information for an aspect ratio of approximately 2:1. I guess he felt that the theatrical framing was too tight. The mattes have been put back in place for the Blu-ray. To my eye, the framing looks perfectly fine here, and too loose on the earlier DVD.
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Old June 24 2014, 07:58 PM   #35
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I'm always a supporter of OAR, so you won't get an argument from me. Although, for future releases it would be nice to have the option, since both have been released at the direction of Meyer.
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Old June 24 2014, 08:07 PM   #36
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Since at least the 1970s, many "widescreen" (2.35-.40:1 or even 1.85:1) have been shot in such a way as to "protect" a 4:3 (or, in the last decade or so, a 1.78:1/16:9) home video version.

If you see a 2.35-.40:1 or 1.85:1 presented in a 1.78:1 ratio, then it is almost certain that information has been cropped from each side and resulting image zoomed to fill in the screen. When 4:3 was the standard for home viewing, the invention of the pan and scan machine coped with the more severe issue of cropping for a more drastic change in aspect ratio (the wiki on pan and scan was pretty good last time I checked, if anyone wants to know more).

IMAX film is 1.44:1 (very nearly the same as the 1.37:1/1.33:1 of a 4:3 image). When cropped to fit a 16:9 screen, information from top and bottom (not always evenly--there are some spec. feature shorts about the process for the Nolan films that explain this in detail) is removed. When 2.35:1 is cropped to fit a 16:9 screen, info from each side (again, not always evenly) is removed. The reason they don't resize the IMAX and widescreen footage to fit a 16:9 screen all the way through is because cropping from top/bottom and then from each side and back and forth would create a really difficult edit and would, frankly, look bad. Much easier to "protect" the top/bottom IMAX image so it can be integrated into a 2.35:1 non-IMAX presentation (while allowing the top and bottom to open up without changing the side info).

Some film directors (Stanley Kubrick most famously) considered OAR on typical pre-HDTV screens to be too small, and preferred to have their stuff converted to 4:3. Far fewer have this opinion in the 16:9 display world we live in now.
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Old June 24 2014, 08:30 PM   #37
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This is the BD release of the year for me! The IMAX footage filling the screen in my cinema room alone is worth whatever the asking price may be!
I suppose some double-dips are worth the expense.

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After the closure of the other thread, you really ought to have resisted the urge to continue by making the unnecessary dig here. As you did not, it'll be a warning to you for trolling. Comments to PM.
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Old June 25 2014, 12:49 AM   #38
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Actually it would be the sides of the picture that would be cropped in a 16:9 version. More picture information exists in the Blu-ray.
No. In case of the TUC DVDs nothing has been cropped. There is actually more picture on the top and on the bottom, which makes the BD feel kind of cropped, although the BD represents the original theatrical cut and aspect ratio.
Right there is more picture top and bottom. If any is lost on the sides it is very marginal. lot more picture on the DVD.

It's the version I've been watching since 1992 and it's the only version I will watch.

Blu-ray is taken from a 1080i master and is covered with DNR---no thanks.
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Old June 25 2014, 05:53 PM   #39
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Count me in!
MASSIVE +1. Can't wait!
Agree.
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Old June 27 2014, 08:40 PM   #40
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Looking forward to the commentary most of all; featurettes are usually not so insightful.
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Old June 27 2014, 08:44 PM   #41
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TrekCore posted a pre-order link for both the US and CANADA
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Old June 29 2014, 12:39 AM   #42
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I can't wait for the gag reel of Into Darkness especially with BC as Khan.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:50 AM   #43
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Thanks. I just pre-ordered from Amazon.ca.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:10 AM   #44
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I'm very glad that they're doing this. I agree that the timing is unusual, however, I believe that an all 12 will be released together for the 50th in 2016.
I bought the Target edition of STID, and I'd intended to pass this by, but depending on pricing, this looks too good to pass up.

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I can't wait for the gag reel of Into Darkness especially with BC as Khan.
I did miss that about the Target STID release.

I actually don't think the timing is that unusual. Give us fans something to tide us over between theatrical releases. Makes sense to me.
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Old July 12 2014, 08:12 PM   #45
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And if you are too poor to go from DVD to blue-ray, you're SOL

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