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Old July 9 2014, 02:14 PM   #121
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Re: Phase II begins re-filming "Mind Sifter"

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My Uncle Billy liked to work on cars. He wasn't much interested in school; he used to sit through math class drawing pictures of hot rods in his notebooks. So, when he got out of high school he went down to Raleigh Motors in Beckley and applied for a job as a mechanic.

The receptionist gave him an application to fill out, front and back. Billy answered what he could and then just to kill time while he waited to talk to the manager he doodled this car in the margin under his signature: a two-seat convertible, real low and sleek. It was a silly thing, you know, like you'd expect, with big flames and smoke shooting out of the ass end.

A couple of weeks later Billy got a telephone call. Raleigh wasn't hiring but someone had sent his application out to GM in Detroit, and they wanted him to come out and work as an engineer for a while.

Turns out that they really, really liked that drawing of the sports car. So he became one of the designers of the original Corvette. The most amazing thing was that the profile of the C1 was exactly the same as on his original drawing.Incredible, I know, but it's true.

Anyway, Billy worked out there for a couple of years but they put him to work on the Corvair and he got bored and went home and got work as a mechanic in one of the big mines outside Stanford.

I did see Billy's original sketch, once, but Aunt Velma threw it and most of Billy's other stuff out some years back when, well, you know...

You'll just have to believe me. You've got no evidence that the story isn't true; you can't prove that it didn't happen - weirder things have, and everyone knows that the people running the automobile industry have no ethics whatever - and you don't dare call me a liar.
This is more likely to have really happened than the Chico and the Man story.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:26 PM   #122
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My Uncle Billy liked to work on cars. He wasn't much interested in school; he used to sit through math class drawing pictures of hot rods in his notebooks. So, when he got out of high school he went down to Raleigh Motors in Beckley and applied for a job as a mechanic.

The receptionist gave him an application to fill out, front and back. Billy answered what he could and then just to kill time while he waited to talk to the manager he doodled this car in the margin under his signature: a two-seat convertible, real low and sleek. It was a silly thing, you know, like you'd expect, with big flames and smoke shooting out of the ass end.

A couple of weeks later Billy got a telephone call. Raleigh wasn't hiring but someone had sent his application out to GM in Detroit, and they wanted him to come out and work as an engineer for a while.

Turns out that they really, really liked that drawing of the sports car. So he became one of the designers of the original Corvette. The most amazing thing was that the profile of the C1 was exactly the same as on his original drawing.Incredible, I know, but it's true.

Anyway, Billy worked out there for a couple of years but they put him to work on the Corvair and he got bored and went home and got work as a mechanic in one of the big mines outside Stanford.

I did see Billy's original sketch, once, but Aunt Velma threw it and most of Billy's other stuff out some years back when, well, you know...

You'll just have to believe me. You've got no evidence that the story isn't true; you can't prove that it didn't happen - weirder things have, and everyone knows that the people running the automobile industry have no ethics whatever - and you don't dare call me a liar.
You're a very poor "writer."
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Old July 9 2014, 02:27 PM   #123
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Uncle Billy's drawing is in the Smithsonian. It's in the glove box of one of the first Corvettes ever built.
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Old July 9 2014, 02:32 PM   #124
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Uncle Billy's drawing is in the Smithsonian. It's in the glove box of one of the first Corvettes ever built.
I never even realized that the guy who used to go through Velma's trash bins was a curator! D'oh!
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Old July 9 2014, 02:50 PM   #125
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I'm curious as to your appearance here? The account has been dormant for years, all of a sudden you pop up with 16 posts all in a few days and 14 of them in this particular thread.

So how exactly are you connected to andreich?
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Old July 9 2014, 02:57 PM   #126
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The issue isn't that a 14-year-old can't write a script and send it off; that's easy to accept. As for novels, Pamela Brown wrote A Swish of the Curtain when she was 14, and there are dozens of other examples out there. Jim Shooter was the regular writer on DC's Legion of Superheroes when he was in his early teens. It happened, it's documented, there's no secret about it and he got both payment and credit.

No one is denying the possibility of a teenager being able to write a script. The thing to remember is that novels, especially ones that have been self-published on platforms like Wattpad are totally different from scripts. With novels, once you finish writing, it's done: all she had to do was upload it to Wattpad and it was published.

In this case it's what happened after that's straining credibility. If we go by the Shooter example, it's pretty clear that if a 14-year-old sent in a script that was good enough to be shot unchanged that kid would have an iron-clad writing contract within the week. Nobody'd let that talent escape.
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Old July 9 2014, 03:03 PM   #127
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The issue isn't that a 14-year-old can't write a script and send it off; that's easy to accept. As for novels, Pamela Brown wrote A Swish of the Curtain when she was 14, and there are dozens of other examples out there. Jim Shooter was the regular writer on DC's Legion of Superheroes when he was in his early teens. It happened, it's documented, there's no secret about it and he got both payment and credit.

No one is denying the possibility of a teenager being able to write a script. The thing to remember is that novels, especially ones that have been self-published on platforms like Wattpad are totally different from scripts. With novels, once you finish writing, it's done: all she had to do was upload it to Wattpad and it was published.

In this case it's what happened after that's straining credibility. If we go by the Shooter example, it's pretty clear that if a 14-year-old sent in a script that was good enough to be shot unchanged that kid would have an iron-clad writing contract within the week. Nobody'd let that talent escape.
That's the key point.
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Old July 9 2014, 05:55 PM   #128
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The issue isn't that a 14-year-old can't write a script and send it off; that's easy to accept. As for novels, Pamela Brown wrote A Swish of the Curtain when she was 14, and there are dozens of other examples out there. Jim Shooter was the regular writer on DC's Legion of Superheroes when he was in his early teens. It happened, it's documented, there's no secret about it and he got both payment and credit.

No one is denying the possibility of a teenager being able to write a script. The thing to remember is that novels, especially ones that have been self-published on platforms like Wattpad are totally different from scripts. With novels, once you finish writing, it's done: all she had to do was upload it to Wattpad and it was published.

In this case it's what happened after that's straining credibility. If we go by the Shooter example, it's pretty clear that if a 14-year-old sent in a script that was good enough to be shot unchanged that kid would have an iron-clad writing contract within the week. Nobody'd let that talent escape.
More succinctly, the issue is the seeming absence (in andreich's story) of the extraordinary level of process and protocol involved in producing an episode of television after a first draft is completed and turned in. You don't just hand in your draft and tell your crew "Go shoot this, now!" That's just not how this business works.

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Old July 10 2014, 02:11 AM   #129
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What I'm wondering is that given they had a successful kickstarter, how quickly will we start seeing the three eps in the pipeline.
That's a great question. Star Trek Continues seemed to have a really quick turnaround on their episodes, following their successful Kickstarter last year.

I suppose it will depend on how far along Phase II has gotten with their facility move (of the sets) and if they've been able to get their act together with post-production after the weather-related setbacks they experienced in February. My guess is once the latter is sorted out, we'll (hopefully) see the release of "The Holiest Thing" and probably get more updates re: the future releases of "Mind-Sifter" et al.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:18 AM   #130
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What I'm wondering is that given they had a successful kickstarter, how quickly will we start seeing the three eps in the pipeline.
That's a great question. Star Trek Continues seemed to have a really quick turnaround on their episodes, following their successful Kickstarter last year.

I suppose it will depend on how far along Phase II has gotten with their facility move (of the sets) and if they've been able to get their act together with post-production after the weather-related setbacks they experienced in February. My guess is once the latter is sorted out, we'll (hopefully) see the release of "The Holiest Thing" and probably get more updates re: the future releases of "Mind-Sifter" et al.
I do think there's more of a "responsibility" to be communicating and providing updates now that they've raised money via Kickstarter, as opposed to funding it out of their own pockets as they have historically.

I know every production has its own realities, but I'd like to see Phase II adopt the "film episode/complete post-production/release episode" model of STC, as opposed to: "film episode/film second episode/begin or continue post-production on first episode/film third episode/release first episode."
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Old July 10 2014, 02:21 AM   #131
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I tend to agree.

I don't think they should necessarily be beholden to Continues' template for such, but I do think that now that they've raised so much money from the generous donations of fans, they would benefit from the goodwill of those same fans and to themselves really, to be better about providing updates on their progress.

Certainly, nobody owes anybody anything here; those same fans donating knew what they were getting into and nobody put a gun to their head to donate. But historically speaking, Phase II hasn't had the greatest track record when it comes to updating their audiences and this might be a great opportunity for them to remedy that.
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Old July 10 2014, 02:23 AM   #132
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I personally think updates would be good, and would like to see at least Holiest Thing out by the end of the year - and both Bread & Savagery and Mind Sifter before next June's shoot.
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Old July 10 2014, 03:58 AM   #133
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For what it's worth...

A gentleman involved with the production recently posted on the Trekcast facebook page that a new episode would be "VERY soon" and followed up with, "Depends on when post production is complete. But hearing late Septemberish/early October, but nothing has been made official. Please keep in mind, editing and post work is all volunteer."

But he couldn't confirm that "The Holiest Thing" would be the next release- "I wish I had that answer. Exec producer, and production staff makes that call."

Also, James Cawley confirmed on his own Facebook page that D.C. Fontana is writing "Joanna."
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Old July 10 2014, 04:00 AM   #134
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Also, James Cawley confirmed on his own Facebook page that D.C. Fontana is writing "Joanna."
This is exciting news. It's a wonderful idea to view the road not taken.
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Old July 10 2014, 11:17 AM   #135
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Getting Fontana to write Joanna is a fantastic move. I am very excited to hear about that. It's great to see some of the writers who made TOS great getting behind some of these fan productions
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