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Old July 10 2014, 09:14 PM   #136
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Re: Phase II begins re-filming "Mind Sifter"

Indeed, that's superb news! Hopefully it will mean more of Jeff Bond as McCoy, who (if the photos on Facebook are any indication) might really be great in the role.
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Old July 10 2014, 09:27 PM   #137
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Joanna would be great to see - and I think it's a really good direction for PII to go. I want to see both them and STC producing quality episodes on a regular basis, but moving in different directions from the common starting point.
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Old July 10 2014, 10:51 PM   #138
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Indeed, that's superb news! Hopefully it will mean more of Jeff Bond as McCoy, who (if the photos on Facebook are any indication) might really be great in the role.
He certainly looks the part. And he and Brian Gross are at the right ages for the Kirk/Joanna romance plot to work, if D.C. decides to do a version of that.
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Old July 11 2014, 04:29 AM   #139
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Re: Phase II begins re-filming "Mind Sifter"

I did not "mysteriously disappear". I announced my departure, saying you guys were free to believe what you wanted and I was done with the discussion of Chico - which was prompted by an aside comment (clearly a bad choice). A discussion, which, by the way, does not belong in this thread. (I am hoping that when Greg returns he'll trim all this stuff out so Phase II becomes the focus of it again) I have no idea who this "Star" person is.

I do know, however, that D.C. has been working on the "Joanna" script for Phase II at least since 2008 when it was discussed at a meeting I was present at. I can't wait to see it finally get filmed.

Though I disagree that the Kirk/Joanna romance would work. Kirk is 36 by the fourth year of TOS. Joanna is 22 according to the Writers/Directors Guide by Gene Roddenberry. As a mom, I find that creepy. Though you can argue that such ageism may be gone by the 23rd century...I still find it creepy. I think McCoy would have "words" with Kirk for going after his daughter. It's against the "guy code".

Just fair warning...I am "disappearing" again because I've got medical issues to deal with that trump on line presence.
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Old July 11 2014, 05:01 AM   #140
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I did not "mysteriously disappear". I announced my departure, saying you guys were free to believe what you wanted and I was done with the discussion of Chico - which was prompted by an aside comment (clearly a bad choice). A discussion, which, by the way, does not belong in this thread. (I am hoping that when Greg returns he'll trim all this stuff out so Phase II becomes the focus of it again) I have no idea who this "Star" person is.
The focus was already back on to Phase II until you came back to try to make it about yourself again. Kindly desist.
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Old July 11 2014, 05:07 AM   #141
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I don't see the 36/22 as automatically creepy, although I have always been involved with older women (even now). That said, I can see the gap as being bridgeable. Just as an aside what about a 50/36 difference? Let me spell it out more clearly about my own preferences: young enough to be my daughter, probably not interested. Old enough to my granddaughter, not gonna happen. No trophy brides here, thank you.
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Old July 11 2014, 07:41 AM   #142
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The board's policy is not to trim messages. They usually just close a thread if they feel it's become a problem.
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Old July 11 2014, 03:20 PM   #143
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Though I disagree that the Kirk/Joanna romance would work. Kirk is 36 by the fourth year of TOS. Joanna is 22 according to the Writers/Directors Guide by Gene Roddenberry. As a mom, I find that creepy. Though you can argue that such ageism may be gone by the 23rd century...I still find it creepy. I think McCoy would have "words" with Kirk for going after his daughter. It's against the "guy code".
A 22 year old woman is fully grown and can romance anyone she likes. There isn't anything creepy about it.

And creating drama was the point of the romance in the original outline. I have no idea what D.C. Fontana has planned now.
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Old July 11 2014, 03:29 PM   #144
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Though I disagree that the Kirk/Joanna romance would work. Kirk is 36 by the fourth year of TOS. Joanna is 22 according to the Writers/Directors Guide by Gene Roddenberry. As a mom, I find that creepy. Though you can argue that such ageism may be gone by the 23rd century...
That kind of ageism is gone today. As with anything in the fan films, it will all depend on how it's written and presented, if Phase II chooses to go this way.
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Old July 11 2014, 04:01 PM   #145
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That kind of ageism is gone today.
Well, unless you're a dad with a daughter in college who's dating a guy in his mid-thirties. Trust me on this.
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Though I disagree that the Kirk/Joanna romance would work. Kirk is 36 by the fourth year of TOS. Joanna is 22 according to the Writers/Directors Guide by Gene Roddenberry. As a mom, I find that creepy. Though you can argue that such ageism may be gone by the 23rd century...I still find it creepy. I think McCoy would have "words" with Kirk for going after his daughter. It's against the "guy code".
A 22 year old woman is fully grown and can romance anyone she likes. There isn't anything creepy about it.

And creating drama was the point of the romance in the original outline. I have no idea what D.C. Fontana has planned now.
If I remember correctly there was a pretty big gap between Lenore and Kirk in "Conscience of the King". I think the actress was only 20 at the time.
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Old July 11 2014, 05:55 PM   #147
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I believe she was supposed to be 17...
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Old July 11 2014, 06:19 PM   #148
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Re: Phase II begins re-filming "Mind Sifter"

Here's an update that Brian Holloway posted as a comment on James Cawley's page
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" For the
record: "The Holiest Thing" is being
technically reworked and no release
date has been determined, "Bread &
Savagery" is being edited by Mark
Burchett and may require a pickup
shoot, "Origins: The Protracted Man"
has been indefinitely shelved due to a
number of reasons & reshoots
needed, and "Mindsifter" will likely be
Brian J Gross's premier as Captain
Kirk this fall."
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Old July 11 2014, 06:31 PM   #149
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Actually, Lenore Karidian was only 19 years old to Kirk's 33. But then again, Lenore was koo koo for Cocoa Puffs, so maybe not the best example.

And FWIW, I dated a 19-year-old for a few months when I was 31. Nothing weird about it at all, other than the relationship Wore. Me. Out.
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Old July 11 2014, 06:37 PM   #150
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Kelso wrote: View Post
Here's an update that Brian Holloway posted as a comment on James Cawley's page
:

" For the
record: "The Holiest Thing" is being
technically reworked and no release
date has been determined, "Bread &
Savagery" is being edited by Mark
Burchett and may require a pickup
shoot, "Origins: The Protracted Man"
has been indefinitely shelved due to a
number of reasons & reshoots
needed, and "Mindsifter" will likely be
Brian J Gross's premier as Captain
Kirk this fall."
Well that's unfortunate. I wonder what could possibly have gone wrong with "The Holiest Thing" to delay it for so long? Last we heard it was just color-correction issues. Unless this is all still related to the studio move?

Sucks about "Origins," but given what a troubled history that episode seems to have, not altogether surprising. Given all the bad blood, my first guess is that Phase II might just want to start over from scratch to avoid any connection to Vic Mignogna.

I am looking forward to "Mind-Sifter" though and appreciate the update regardless.
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