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Old June 18 2014, 08:22 AM   #16
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Re: Will a "Hero" try and go back in time and fix Vulcan's Destruction

The thing is if we never see this idea on the screen it's still pretty much a given that someone somewhere is working to either jump timelines or restore Vulcan via timeline shenanigans.
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Old June 18 2014, 08:23 AM   #17
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The thing is if we never see this idea on the screen it's still pretty much a given that someone somewhere is working to either jump timelines or restore Vulcan via timeline shenanigans.
You'd think, yeah. If not "now" then at some future point.
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Old June 18 2014, 08:35 AM   #18
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Someone is probably working on saving John Belushi from his overdose via time travel right now. So we can get more movies.
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Old June 18 2014, 08:46 AM   #19
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Surely such time-travelers wouldn't waste their energy on impossibilities.
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Old June 18 2014, 09:16 AM   #20
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I could have saved him. With my love.
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Old June 18 2014, 09:19 AM   #21
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Or with my love of cheeseburgers. Sadly we will never know...
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Old June 18 2014, 09:21 AM   #22
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CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER CHEESEBURGER

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Old June 18 2014, 09:23 AM   #23
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The thing is if we never see this idea on the screen it's still pretty much a given that someone somewhere is working to either jump timelines or restore Vulcan via timeline shenanigans.
"The Vulcan Science Directorate has determined that time travel is impossible"

How many people actually know it isn't at this point? Archer, T'Pol and crew, who are ancient by now. The current Enterprise crew as well as Spock Prime, Pike and some Starfleet higher-ups.

IIRC, it's not until "The Naked Now" that anyone time travelled without help from the future, and that hasn't happened yet (if it will at all). So very, very few people really knows it can be done.
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Old June 18 2014, 09:27 AM   #24
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How many people actually know it isn't at this point?
Kinda. Apart from Spock and the Narada who came back and proved the point and basically told everyone, so I'm not sure that works, but whatevs. Maybe nobody knows despite that.... somehow.

(I also wouldn't be surprised to find that NuTrek just goes ahead and ditches Archer and the rest, since there are a minimal amount of people to annoy by doing so.)
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Old June 18 2014, 09:30 AM   #25
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Archer is already in NuTrek.

And in a few years something time travelly will happen to Our NuHeroes.

People working on fringe science suspect now that time travel is possible, I am sure this idea will only grow as a possibility as the galaxy fills up with weirdness.
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Old June 18 2014, 09:55 AM   #26
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Thou arenst alone, O teacake: Sybok is great.
Count me as someone who likes Sybok too. Laurence Luckinbill was bringing it in that movie, when it seemed like everyone else was sleepwalking.
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Old June 18 2014, 10:15 AM   #27
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^I also think Sybok is excellent, both as a character himself and what he adds to Spock and Sarek's backstories (i.e. explaining why Sarek was so absolutely intent that Spock be Vulcan, after his last son was exiled for rejecting the Vulcan way)
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How many people actually know it isn't at this point?
Kinda. Apart from Spock and the Narada who came back and proved the point and basically told everyone, so I'm not sure that works, but whatevs. Maybe nobody knows despite that.... somehow.
Depends how much is public knowledge after ST'09. I guess it's totally up in the air as to whether the massive ship destroyed Vulcan and attacked Earth is known to be from the future.

(God knows how Starfleet's PR department explained the Vengeance crash to the masses )
(I also wouldn't be surprised to find that NuTrek just goes ahead and ditches Archer and the rest, since there are a minimal amount of people to annoy by doing so.)
As teacake pointed out, Archer got a namedrop in '09 (he exiled Scotty) and Marcus had a model of the Enterprise Enterprise on his Desk of Awesome Fanwank.
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Old June 18 2014, 03:33 PM   #28
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This is not like "City on the Edge of Forever" or those types of time travel stories. The way they set it up in ST09, there is nothing to "correct." This is an entirely new timeline created by the prime one at the point the Narada appeared. The prime universe reality goes chugging on unaffected except for the loss of Spock and the Narada's crew.

This is a new reality. Not a changed one. The things that happen in it are the things that are supposed to happen. Attempts to change it would actually be altering their reality, not restoring it.
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Old June 18 2014, 03:37 PM   #29
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This is not like "City on the Edge of Forever" or those types of time travel stories. The way they set it up in ST09, there is nothing to "correct." This is an entirely new timeline created by the prime one at the point the Narada appeared. The prime universe reality goes chugging on unaffected except for the loss of Spock and the Narada's crew.

This is a new reality. Not a changed one. The things that happen in it are the things that are supposed to happen. Attempts to change it would actually be altering their reality, not restoring it.


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Old June 18 2014, 03:44 PM   #30
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This is not like "City on the Edge of Forever" or those types of time travel stories. The way they set it up in ST09, there is nothing to "correct." This is an entirely new timeline created by the prime one at the point the Narada appeared. The prime universe reality goes chugging on unaffected except for the loss of Spock and the Narada's crew.

This is a new reality. Not a changed one. The things that happen in it are the things that are supposed to happen. Attempts to change it would actually be altering their reality, not restoring it.

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And I gotta say, I love it. It was a stroke of brilliance. First, it actually makes more sense within many real time travel theories (not that that matters a lot, this is fiction after all, but it does). Second, it makes what happens in this universe, like the loss of Vulcan, far more poignant. It's life. It's real. It ain't changing.
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