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Old November 27 2014, 01:32 PM   #1
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I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

This is obviously just an hypothesis.

I don't know but I have this feeling in my gut that trek 2009 will be better film. No doubt people will make endless comparison once episode 7 is out for this main reasons.

1. they are the most popular sci fi/fantasy series of all time

2. the same guy rebooted them.

3. they have the name STAR

4. there has always been a never ending debate
of star wars vs star trek.

5. brand new cast, with some old faces. Old Luke already reminds me of Spock prime from the photos.

6. star trek 2009 has aged well. 5 years on and I still watch the film every now and then. I am sorry but I don't even watch Into Darkness at all.


No doubt star wars will make more money by light years but in terms of critical reception , best film reboots and story. I think trek 2009 will be better.
I don't really like Disney anymore.

all their films to me now seem to be cliché, cheesy and off no substance . its just loud with explosions. which is why I am not a big fan of the marvel cinematic universe.

I never want to here star trek and Disney in the same sentence. which means I hope Disney never buys star trek.There is so much buzz of star wars 7 but I cant really get into it.

I wish Abrams had just finished what he stared with trek. direct the three films, like Nolan did with Batman and know that part of your professional life is done.

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Old November 27 2014, 03:38 PM   #2
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all their films to me now seem to be cliché, cheesy and of no substance and just loud with explosions. which is why I am not a big fan of the marvel cinematic universe.
Well, yes, but that sums up the Abrams Trek movies as well.
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Old November 27 2014, 03:40 PM   #3
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7
Does it matter? As long as I have a good time watching it, I'm good.
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Old November 27 2014, 03:42 PM   #4
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

Star Wars: The Force Awakens is a continuation of Star Wars, not a reboot. And I'm sure Bob Orci will do a fine job with Star Trek 3 (or whatever it ends up being called.)

Not much else to say, so here's a completely random ID fanvid I came across yesterday.
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Old November 27 2014, 04:49 PM   #5
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all their films to me now seem to be cliché, cheesy and of no substance and just loud with explosions. which is why I am not a big fan of the marvel cinematic universe.
Well, yes, but that sums up the Abrams Trek movies as well.
Honestly I strongly disagree.

Trek 2009 had a story that was memorable moments with very emotional scenes. here is a few example.

Kirk's birth and George Kirk's death.
Uhura comforting spock after his mum and planet were destroyed.
Spock's prime first appearance and his flash back story of his ties to nero
enterprise dropping at of wrap
Spock calling kirk Jim for the first time.
the whole film just been darm so original.
the score
great acting from the cast.
great dialogue

Am sorry but I wont compare trek 2009 to any of marvel movies. star trek 2009 is more closely related to Bryan singer's xmen films like X2 and DOFP (which has nothing to do woth the mcu universe) than the MCU films.

the first trek film was not about action at all. it was about story and establishing the new characters. the action was just a good bonus. also the action was not over the top. it was slick and well directed and even at times emotions. thanks to the Score by michael giacchino

If you want to see a trek film about explosions only with a forgettable story. just tell Disney to make a star trek film or watch trek into darkness
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Old November 27 2014, 05:01 PM   #6
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Into Darkness was about the characters, not the explosions.
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Old November 27 2014, 07:20 PM   #7
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At times I think there must two different versions of the Abrams movies and that certain fans have only scene one or the other. The Abrams movies are not heartfelt character pieces delivering emotional resonance, nor are they profound commentaries on current events and affairs. They are loud, flashy action movies fueled by explosions and cheap one-liners.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's your thing, than by all means I can understand enjoying these movies, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained on some level. But at least be honest about it, and don't try passing the movies off as something they aren't.
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Old November 27 2014, 08:26 PM   #8
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

So you think Episode VII won't be good based on your dislike of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, in spite of the fact that the MCU is helmed by a different creative team entirely? And JJ, who is directing Episode VII, also directed ST09, which you liked? I'm...perplexed by your logic.
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Old November 27 2014, 08:56 PM   #9
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At times I think there must two different versions of the Abrams movies and that certain fans have only scene one or the other. The Abrams movies are not heartfelt character pieces delivering emotional resonance, nor are they profound commentaries on current events and affairs. They are loud, flashy action movies fueled by explosions and cheap one-liners.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's your thing, than by all means I can understand enjoying these movies, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained on some level. But at least be honest about it, and don't try passing the movies off as something they aren't.
So, you saw the action film take?

Personally, I disagree with the conceit that the Abrams films are only action films. I think that on he surface level they function very well as action films, but that the characters drive story far more than the action. But, I don't think this is mutually exclusive either. Because I think Kirk's character arcs and the theme of maturity and fatherhood are far more resonant for me than any aspect of the films.

As for Star Wars, I am in a wait and see pattern. I think that Abrams love of the material may come out too heavily, with deliberate nods, more so than any Trek nods, to past films. I think that the fanbase for Star Wars is more cautiously optimistic because of the prequels, and will be in a definite "wait and see" before being accepting of the new film, especially when Disney opted to change the EU in favor of a new film, rather than adapt any of the books. While I agree with that point, it left a sour taste in many fan's mouths.

I honestly think that comparing the two is not really fair because Terk 09 was establishing the characters for a new audience, while Force Awakens is continuing on with established characters. So, it has some difficult challenges to overcome.
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Old November 27 2014, 08:59 PM   #10
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At times I think there must two different versions of the Abrams movies and that certain fans have only scene one or the other. The Abrams movies are not heartfelt character pieces delivering emotional resonance, nor are they profound commentaries on current events and affairs. They are loud, flashy action movies fueled by explosions and cheap one-liners.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's your thing, than by all means I can understand enjoying these movies, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained on some level. But at least be honest about it, and don't try passing the movies off as something they aren't.
+1. All I've ever asked.
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Old November 27 2014, 09:24 PM   #11
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

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So you think Episode VII won't be good based on your dislike of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, in spite of the fact that the MCU is helmed by a different creative team entirely? And JJ, who is directing Episode VII, also directed ST09, which you liked? I'm...perplexed by your logic.
Me too.

I'm a big fan of the MCU, but Trek '09 less so.

I used to consider Disney rich but creatively spent. Sensibly they spent some of that cash on buying Pixar, Star Wars and Marvel. Disney will treat all of their expensive new subsidiaries with care and attention, it wouldn't make sense not to. Disney (and I) think JJ is a good fit for Star Wars but not for Trek.

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At times I think there must two different versions of the Abrams movies and that certain fans have only scene one or the other. The Abrams movies are not heartfelt character pieces delivering emotional resonance, nor are they profound commentaries on current events and affairs. They are loud, flashy action movies fueled by explosions and cheap one-liners.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's your thing, than by all means I can understand enjoying these movies, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained on some level. But at least be honest about it, and don't try passing the movies off as something they aren't.
+1. All I've ever asked.
Exactly.

Big, shallow, noisy, flashy Trek. I enjoyed it while I was watching it, but it certainly wasn't what I'd call substantial.

Ironically, as I inferred earlier, it's exactly the sort of thing I'd expect in a new Star Wars movie.
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Old November 27 2014, 09:51 PM   #12
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

To be fair, the plots of the prime trek movies are not what you'd call substantial, the hook is the characters we've grown to love and seen grow old together. I'm sure these films would have more closely resembled JJTrek if they'd have had the money thrown at them. The budgets these films had were a fraction of their contemporaries at the time. The likes of The Abyss had seventy million dollars lavished on it in 1989 whilst The Final Frontier had to make do with less than half of that.
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Old November 28 2014, 02:32 AM   #13
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Re: I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7

To be fair, the plots of the prime trek movies are not what you'd call substantial, the hook is the characters we've grown to love and seen grow old together. I'm sure these films would have more closely resembled JJTrek if they'd have had the money thrown at them. The budgets these films had were a fraction of their contemporaries at the time. The likes of The Abyss had seventy million dollars lavished on it in 1989 whilst The Final Frontier had to make do with less than half of that.
wonder what Shatner would've cooked up had TFF been blessed with The Abyss' budget? Rockmen, Gargoyles, DevilGod, epic battles, FX of the finest quality etc
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Old November 28 2014, 06:15 AM   #14
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I strongly feel Star Trek 2009 will be better than Star Wars 7
Does it matter? As long as I have a good time watching it, I'm good.
And, we have a winner.
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At times I think there must two different versions of the Abrams movies and that certain fans have only scene one or the other. The Abrams movies are not heartfelt character pieces delivering emotional resonance, nor are they profound commentaries on current events and affairs. They are loud, flashy action movies fueled by explosions and cheap one-liners.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If that's your thing, than by all means I can understand enjoying these movies, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't entertained on some level. But at least be honest about it, and don't try passing the movies off as something they aren't.
+1. All I've ever asked.
But, if that isn't what I took away from the film then why would I say that?
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