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Old June 16 2014, 05:00 AM   #16
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

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And tbh, I think a lot of it was caused by messing with them in the first place (genetically engineering them). They were good as is. Now they're just bland and mealy.
Actually no, it wasn't genetic engineering that caused them to lose their taste. It was traditional breeding that caused that, and genetic engineering is being used to fix it. 70 years go, when this change first happened, as stated at the beginning, genetic engineering wasn't even close to possible.

I'll be interested to see how the anti-GMO crowd reacts to these tomatoes. They will be genetically modified to fix a gene that was damaged by traditional breeding and selection, so they will actually be more like heirloom varieties. Yet they will be GMOs.
And I'll be avoiding them like the plague.

They should let people choose what kinds of vegetables they want to eat and not force it upon them.

Not everyone wants to eat genetically modified food.

No matter how they try to dress it, it's still genetically modified.
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Old June 16 2014, 05:07 AM   #17
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

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No matter how they try to dress it, it's still genetically modified.
We've been genetically modifying plants for hundreds of years. Where do you think Medelian Inheritance came from?

They should let people choose what kinds of vegetables they want to eat and not force it upon them.
Nobody is forcing you to eat anything.
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Old June 16 2014, 06:42 AM   #18
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Really. It's not like they're introducing spider and tick genes into tomatoes, they're reintroducing backyard-garden heirloom tomato genes, that are supposed to be there, into our artificially-created mass-produced factory tomatoes. But if your heart-felt beliefs overwhelm your distaste for eating cardboard produced by capitalist shipping concerns, then carry on. It will just leave more naturally tasty tomatoes for the rest of us.
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Old June 16 2014, 06:59 AM   #19
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

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Replacing a tomato gene with, er, a tomato gene may be genetic modification, but hardly as contentious as using, say, an octopus gene.
Next up on SyFy: Octomato!

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No matter how they try to dress it, it's still genetically modified.
We've been genetically modifying plants for hundreds of years. Where do you think Mendelian Inheritance came from?
More like thousands of years, if you go back to the beginning of agriculture. We've been doing the same thing with our domestic animals as well.

As for adapting and modifying nature in a more general sense, we've been doing that ever since Homo erectus discovered fire.
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Old June 16 2014, 12:44 PM   #20
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

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And tbh, I think a lot of it was caused by messing with them in the first place (genetically engineering them). They were good as is. Now they're just bland and mealy.
Actually no, it wasn't genetic engineering that caused them to lose their taste. It was traditional breeding that caused that, and genetic engineering is being used to fix it. 70 years go, when this change first happened, as stated at the beginning, genetic engineering wasn't even close to possible.

I'll be interested to see how the anti-GMO crowd reacts to these tomatoes. They will be genetically modified to fix a gene that was damaged by traditional breeding and selection, so they will actually be more like heirloom varieties. Yet they will be GMOs.
And I'll be avoiding them like the plague.

They should let people choose what kinds of vegetables they want to eat and not force it upon them.

Not everyone wants to eat genetically modified food.

No matter how they try to dress it, it's still genetically modified.
Is this sarcasm or an attempt at a joke or what?
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Old June 17 2014, 03:22 AM   #21
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

Man messed with mustard plants and produced horseradish, land cress, water cress, garden cress, kale, collard greens, cabbage, broccoli, cauliflower, broccoflower, bok choy, Brussels sprouts, kohlrabi, turnips, canola, arugula, rutabaga, radishes, and wasabi.

Most things vegetarians eat are genetic modifications of a few fortunate plants that humans thought were tasty.
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Old June 17 2014, 10:38 AM   #22
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We all know Luther Burbank was a part of Big Tomato! Down with GMO! Down with GMO! <rabble> <rabble>
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Old June 17 2014, 10:59 AM   #23
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Old June 17 2014, 11:52 AM   #24
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

Interestingly enough, when I came here from The Land of Perfect (looking) Produce, I did not expect the cacophony of flavors, the sumptuousness of experience, the mouthwatering goodness of the produce they have here...

Not grown by superfarms
Not genetically engineered
Not hermetically or himetically sealed

Just grown

And harvested...

Yum
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Old June 17 2014, 12:20 PM   #25
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Holy Cobb Salad!...no Hidden Valley Ranch here...more like Death Valley Ranch...kinda like a mutant veggie X-Men place...

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Old June 17 2014, 01:36 PM   #26
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

I went 20 miles up into Wisconsin, 5 miles over, then back down and didn't find one fruit/vegetable stand.

Mid-June is too early or what?

So, would an "organic" market have heritage tomatoes?
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Old June 17 2014, 03:35 PM   #27
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I went 20 miles up into Wisconsin, 5 miles over, then back down and didn't find one fruit/vegetable stand.

Mid-June is too early or what?

So, would an "organic" market have heritage tomatoes?
That area is my home stoppin' grounds, and I bet they are all at the various town Farmers Markets...more traffic and more business...sign of the times...you should be able to find the Heritage/Heirloom tomato in that area...
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Old June 17 2014, 05:30 PM   #28
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Yeah, there are farmer's markets all over the damn place.
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Old June 17 2014, 08:46 PM   #29
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

I tried heirloom tomatos in LA ages ago and they were just so delicious that I had to keep a few seeds =) (I loathe modern breeds - far too sweet imo. I much prefer a fruity sourish tomato) Now I've been growing my own tomatos for years and when they start to degenerate from the inbreeding I simply cross-pollinate with other tomatoes and then gradually re-breed to the heirloom tomatos. Admittedly some work but tasty results!
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Old June 18 2014, 01:03 AM   #30
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Re: Genetically engineered tomatoes

Farms - growing both GMO and Organic veggies (including tomatos)- butt right up against eachother. For the most part, these crops, they, uh ... they breed by sending their spunk airborne - and downwind! So ... how, uh ... how do these people know that there hasn't been cross-breeding? In fact, Unless an organic farm is in some kind of an arboritum, I don't really see how it can be prevented ...
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