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Old June 9 2014, 06:37 PM   #46
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Re: Malcolm Reed and his love-life *** minor spoiler ***

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I never thought Reed was gay. Any subtle hints in that direction I thought was part of his English upbringing.
Err...what?
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Old June 9 2014, 07:52 PM   #47
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I never thought Reed was gay. Any subtle hints in that direction I thought was part of his English upbringing.
Err...what?
I think Ronald Held is implying that all English men seem gay to him...or that all gay men seem English. Not sure which
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Old June 9 2014, 08:36 PM   #48
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More likely he means that any evasive or discomforted behaviour that might be read as a - forgive the phrase - "closeted" sexuality struck him simply as a stereotypical British reserve and emotional restraint. If Reed comes across as uncomfortable with his feelings or their expression around another person, it's not because he's juggling any sexual interest in them, he's just uncomfortable with emotional transparency in general.
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Old June 9 2014, 09:27 PM   #49
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Except now that I've read a thread where it was proposed, I can't do it. This is why we have rules against posting story ideas in this forum.
So all we have to do to ensure something doesn't happen in the novels is shotgun it into an unrelated thread you've posted in?

That seems absurd.
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Old June 9 2014, 09:43 PM   #50
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^Yes, it is absurd, but it's an unfortunate fact of life. There are people out there who file nuisance plagiarism lawsuits that, absurd though they are, nonetheless cost publishers and creators a lot of money to fight, so we just can't afford to take any chances.
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Old June 9 2014, 09:59 PM   #51
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Re: Malcolm Reed and his love-life *** minor spoiler ***

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More likely he means that any evasive or discomforted behaviour that might be read as a - forgive the phrase - "closeted" sexuality struck him simply as a stereotypical British reserve and emotional restraint. If Reed comes across as uncomfortable with his feelings or their expression around another person, it's not because he's juggling any sexual interest in them, he's just uncomfortable with emotional transparency in general.
That's how I view the situation as well.

Reed is obviously not very emotional in any sense. (Quite commendable, really.) And as for that thing with Hayes: maybe Reed just doesn't like the guy? Not every fight has to have a hidden meaning.
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Old June 10 2014, 01:06 AM   #52
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There are many people who were (And are) very invested in seeing gay characters on a Star Trek show. When there was no representation, I think it's only natural that people look for hidden meaning. There's a long tradition of coded homosexuality in books, movies and television, and Reed's "relationship" with Hayes had a lot of chemistry, more so than any of his tepid heterosexual pairings.
Give us fair LGBT representation and maybe we won't look so hard to interpret the hetero characters as gay. I think it's interesting that people can bring their own different interpretations to the show.
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Old June 10 2014, 04:21 PM   #53
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Christopher, I don't understand how the thread on 'the next captain of the enterprise' doesn't compromise you or another authors' potential story plans in the same way as this thread? If you or someone who uses this forum did use one of the suggestions or story ideas in that thread, wouldn't that be a similar situation? Yet, it's ok? Sorry for not understanding, but I it seems that the 'story idea' thing is not clear as to what it exactly is.
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Old June 10 2014, 04:34 PM   #54
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Christopher, I don't understand how the thread on 'the next captain of the enterprise' doesn't compromise you or another authors' potential story plans in the same way as this thread?
For one thing, because I'm not currently writing TNG novels. I am, however, the one in charge of chronicling Malcolm Reed's life for at least the next couple of years.

Also, I suppose it's more general. A list of multiple suggestions of possible new series leads isn't quite as specific as suggesting a particular change or revelation in an individual's personal life.
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Old June 10 2014, 04:56 PM   #55
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Christopher, I don't understand how the thread on 'the next captain of the enterprise' doesn't compromise you or another authors' potential story plans in the same way as this thread? If you or someone who uses this forum did use one of the suggestions or story ideas in that thread, wouldn't that be a similar situation? Yet, it's ok? Sorry for not understanding, but I it seems that the 'story idea' thing is not clear as to what it exactly is.
Don't bother, it's fine. I'm going to be out of the forums here, anyway, in... well, now.
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Old June 10 2014, 07:26 PM   #56
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More likely he means that any evasive or discomforted behaviour that might be read as a - forgive the phrase - "closeted" sexuality struck him simply as a stereotypical British reserve and emotional restraint. If Reed comes across as uncomfortable with his feelings or their expression around another person, it's not because he's juggling any sexual interest in them, he's just uncomfortable with emotional transparency in general.
I think that is what I was getting at, British reserve.
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Old June 10 2014, 09:48 PM   #57
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Christopher, I don't understand how the thread on 'the next captain of the enterprise' doesn't compromise you or another authors' potential story plans in the same way as this thread? If you or someone who uses this forum did use one of the suggestions or story ideas in that thread, wouldn't that be a similar situation? Yet, it's ok? Sorry for not understanding, but I it seems that the 'story idea' thing is not clear as to what it exactly is.
Don't bother, it's fine. I'm going to be out of the forums here, anyway, in... well, now.
Don't go - I think we have all done this once or twice and been swatted. You have encouraged a fun and interesting discussion, and your contribution has been good!

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Christopher, I don't understand how the thread on 'the next captain of the enterprise' doesn't compromise you or another authors' potential story plans in the same way as this thread?
For one thing, because I'm not currently writing TNG novels. I am, however, the one in charge of chronicling Malcolm Reed's life for at least the next couple of years.

Also, I suppose it's more general. A list of multiple suggestions of possible new series leads isn't quite as specific as suggesting a particular change or revelation in an individual's personal life.
Ok, I think I get what you are saying, but it is very subjective also. This clearly wasn't fan-fiction or anything like that, it fits into the category of speculation. It seems problematic that there isn't a place for discussion about such things in the environment designed for the books, and that the definition of 'story idea', or rather 'speculation', can be so nebulous. Surely some of the special speculation proposed by Deranged Nasat, which can be rather specific in nature, could be problematic? Yet it isn't, and it's fruitful for the wider community. Perhaps much like the captains thread ongoing. Maybe more definition will be helpful as to what constitutes a story idea or speculation - more than what is in the 'Don't post' thread/warning currently that "we cannot have story ideas/speculation posted in this forum". Whilst the situation as it stands works, it can also be confusing - and ultimately we want a place where people feel welcome and where you and other authors are able to participate.

Trampledamage & other admins, perhaps there could be a subforum of this forum dedicated to speculation from the novels?

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Old June 10 2014, 11:06 PM   #58
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Re: Malcolm Reed and his love-life *** minor spoiler ***

I think what made the initial post feel too much like a story idea to me was that it made some specific suggestions about what would motivate Malcolm or whom he might get involved with. It's that kind of suggestion about specific events or choices, the point where it starts to become a narrative rather than just discussion or general speculation, that you have to watch out for. It's not any suggestion that does it; writers draw on ideas from other people all the time. So speculation about the cultures of alien species, say, would generally be okay. That's just setting the stage. But when it's a plotline, a description of a specific event or situation or transformative experience affecting the characters, that's when it crosses into story idea territory.

I should make it clear, though, that I didn't actually have any plans to have Malcolm come out. As we've discussed, the show gave him a pretty clear interest in women.
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Old June 11 2014, 12:50 AM   #59
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Re: Malcolm Reed and his love-life *** minor spoiler ***

^^ Merci pour la précision Maybe what you say here, as it's good in its specificity, should be added to the 'no story ideas' post by Trampledamage?

I still think a subforum concerned with speculation specific to treklit is perhaps a nice idea?
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Old June 14 2014, 04:18 AM   #60
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did you notice that in one constant star that not only is demora sulu bisexual, but was willing to participate in three-ways before she made captain?
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