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Old June 7 2014, 02:14 PM   #1
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Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

Alright, so I know the Borg highly value both the organic and synthetic forms of life, but did they ever mention their view on holograms? I've seen 90% of all the Trek movies and TV shows and I can't remember a time when the Borg were presented with the idea of holograms. Is this ever mentioned in the Star Trek books? Are there any good Borg books out there?

Wouldn't the Borg pursue this technology or would it just be incompatible with Borg technology? Or could the Borg create a being by fusing together organic life with holographic life for instance?
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Old June 7 2014, 04:09 PM   #2
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

They interacted with holograms in First Contact, but I'm unaware of their opinion on them.
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Old June 7 2014, 04:17 PM   #3
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

A hologram would be the (barely) physical manifestation of a lifeform that "actually" exists in the machinery that projects the hologram. I doubt the Borg would be interested in the holograms themselves, or the machinery that generates them, just as I trust they are disinterested in the clothing that biological lifeforms wear, or the android body in which Data resides - but they could be interested in "the lifeforms themselves", that is, the software that becomes the hologram thanks to the machinery.

Then again, Locutus in "BoBWII" dismissed Data as "obsolete in the new order" - not merely his primitive android body, but Data as an entity. It would appear, then, that the Borg exclusively value biological forms of life, and have no sympathy for machine life. Holograms would no doubt be in the category of "obsolete" in that case.

It might well be that the Borg are sincere in their claim that they hope to improve the quality of life of assimilation victims. The machinery they install would be the improvement and nothing more; the life would be that of the biological lifeform that receives the improvements. All machinery would be subordinate to the mission of helping out biological life, then.

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Old June 7 2014, 04:29 PM   #4
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

Seeing as Locutus described Data as a "primitive artificial organism" I suspect they'd have an even lower opinion of holograms.
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Old June 7 2014, 04:32 PM   #5
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Seeing as Locutus described Data as a "primitive artificial organism" I suspect they'd have an even lower opinion of holograms.
Basicly this. A hologram, even when it is intelligent, is very basic technology in the 24th century. The programming used is, in essence, basic. The only reason the Borg might assimilate a hologram, would be if some important information were stored in its program. But then, the Borg would just assimilated whatever computer-core stores the hologram, and thus gain the needed knowledge.

The physical manifestation of a program holds no interest for the Collective.
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Old June 7 2014, 06:47 PM   #6
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

The Borg probably have a low opinion of holograms as sentient beings but they should be quite interested in the other implications of hologram technology.

In 21 seasons of Trek where holodecks were available, nobody ever considered if it were possible to generate the forcefields without the light and have an army of invisible, untouchable soldiers who could pass through keyholes then become giant flying pan-morphic blades.
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Old June 7 2014, 08:09 PM   #7
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

Yet the ship itself sprouted doorway-sealing invisible forcefields whenever needed - and supposedly had fire-extinguishing variants available as well.

It might be too much hassle to give a corridor-blocking forcefield the ability to grab a villain's weapon and neck-pinch him when mere containing would do the trick. And outside the ship the holograms would be useless, unless 29th century porta-projector technology were available.

A hologram, even when it is intelligent, is very basic technology in the 24th century. The programming used is, in essence, basic.
Then again, humans are even more basic - our technology is tens of thousands of years out of date by optimistic estimate. The Borg aren't interested in human bodies as a source of technology, yet they are interested in human bodies; they don't just download human minds from the bodies and dump the meat. Such sentimentality could in theory extend to holographic projectors or android bodies, so it's actually relevant to know that Locutus farts in the general direction of Soongian androids, mind and body alike.

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Old June 8 2014, 02:21 AM   #8
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They interacted with holograms in First Contact, but I'm unaware of their opinion on them.
Sure they did. They scanned Ethan Phillips, detected he was a hologram, then threw him across the room. Clearly holograms provoke violent reactions from the Borg.

Likewise, the drones that stormed sickbay felt a need to swarm and surround the EMH.
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Old June 8 2014, 03:51 AM   #9
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The Borg aren't really into opinions.
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Old June 8 2014, 04:36 AM   #10
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The Borg aren't really into opinions.
You sure about that?
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Old June 8 2014, 05:37 AM   #11
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The Borg aren't really into opinions.
Not until Dark Frontier at least.
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Old June 8 2014, 08:58 AM   #12
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

They scanned Ethan Phillips, detected he was a hologram, then threw him across the room. Clearly holograms provoke violent reactions from the Borg.
Is that from the novelization? In the movie, the two Drones merely disrupt the hologram with the laser-pointer beams, but the scene ends there and cuts to Picard confronting the holo-gangsters.

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Old June 8 2014, 09:21 AM   #13
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

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They scanned Ethan Phillips, detected he was a hologram, then threw him across the room. Clearly holograms provoke violent reactions from the Borg.
Is that from the novelization? In the movie, the two Drones merely disrupt the hologram with the laser-pointer beams, but the scene ends there and cuts to Picard confronting the holo-gangsters.

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Old June 8 2014, 09:30 AM   #14
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Re: Did the Borg ever give their opinion on holograms?

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The Borg probably have a low opinion of holograms as sentient beings but they should be quite interested in the other implications of hologram technology.

In 21 seasons of Trek where holodecks were available, nobody ever considered if it were possible to generate the forcefields without the light and have an army of invisible, untouchable soldiers who could pass through keyholes then become giant flying pan-morphic blades.
Want to sabotage Voyager? Steal the doctor's holoemitter, input a Friday the 13th flick into the computer to make a recreation on the holodeck with the safety on, throw the holoemitter on Jason Voorheese, transfer program to the emitter, disable safety protocol, beam back out to ship.. QUICKLY!

Or don't beam out.
It'd be worth sticking around to watch Neelix get decapitated while the doctor begs Janeway through comms not to destroy his holoemitter.

Or you could replace Jason with dinosaurs, or aliens from LV-426 (not to be confused with Species 8472)

Wouldn't be the first case of a rogue hologram.

But, yeah, in short, I agree, the combat applications of holograms have been, for the most part, ignored, though the EMH does get a few moments in which to be a badass, which I loved because he was my favorite character in Voyager.
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Old June 8 2014, 01:25 PM   #15
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In 'Dark Frontier' we can see a Borg hologram of a human male during a conversation between Seven and the Borg Queen.
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