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Old June 9 2014, 02:27 AM   #16
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Re: Could a Kickstarter Campaign Help Start a New Series?

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Question and I know I'll probably not going to get an answer but how much are the TV right for Star Trek?
Pretty much what C.E. Evans said. Right now, Star Trek TV is printing money with people buying the DVD/Blu-ray sets on already produced episodes, and it's highly unlikely that CBS has any plans to sell new rights to anyone, which means that they're not even on the table. While the franchise is popular, it's rare that anyone can afford "not for sale."

Add to the fact that there have been a number of offers over the years from people with the clout to produce a TV show (Roberto Orci, Bryan Fuller, Michael Dorn, just to name a few), and CBS has said no every time.

So for now, they don't want to, and considering what they own, they can hold that position indefinitely.
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Old June 9 2014, 04:27 AM   #17
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Add to the fact that there have been a number of offers over the years from people with the clout to produce a TV show (Roberto Orci, Bryan Fuller, Michael Dorn, just to name a few), and CBS has said no every time.
Well, Dorn I think has no clout (or not nearly enough). Fuller never actually made a pitch. And Orci's pitch was for an animated series, and was rejected on the basis that one successful movie didn't make a pattern that CBS was willing to bet on. He probably has the best chances of anybody who has shown interest of getting a series made though, and if it did happen it would be after a successful 3rd movie.
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Old June 9 2014, 05:53 AM   #18
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Add to the fact that there have been a number of offers over the years from people with the clout to produce a TV show (Roberto Orci, Bryan Fuller, Michael Dorn, just to name a few), and CBS has said no every time.
Well, Dorn I think has no clout (or not nearly enough). Fuller never actually made a pitch. And Orci's pitch was for an animated series, and was rejected on the basis that one successful movie didn't make a pattern that CBS was willing to bet on. He probably has the best chances of anybody who has shown interest of getting a series made though, and if it did happen it would be after a successful 3rd movie.
I'm hoping so. I love the movies, but I'd like to see a TV series again. Right now I have one show I watch on television, the rest is from Netflix and other sources. I'd like to get interested in primetime TV again.
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Old June 9 2014, 07:23 PM   #19
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Star Trek aired for eleven seasons on UPN; therefore, the venue was not the problem.
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Old June 9 2014, 08:07 PM   #20
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CBS didn't really inherit Trek until after ENT got canceled. While Trek fans may be clamoring for a new Trek series, Trek is really just one of many properties that CBS owns. In a way, the success of the last two Trek movies by Paramount may have mitigated the need for a new Trek series to keep the brand afloat.

Additionally, the first-run syndicated drama market and UPN were the major factors for new Trek shows, things that CBS doesn't have to contend with.
My initial understanding was that CBS had somehow come into partnership with Paramount and purchased its Television Properties, thust "inheriting" STAR TREK, as you say. Then, someone "knowledgable" on these boards, I believe, informed me that CBS didn't "inherit" anything, that it had already owned it, or some junk. I don't even know, anymore ...
CBS and Viacom (which owned Paramount) were once under the same Viacom umbrella. Their mutual owner, Sumner Redstone, separated them in 2005, with each company taking about half of Paramount with them. In the split, Viacom kept the movie division, Paramount Pictures, while CBS got Paramount Television (which had the licensing rights to dozens of classic and new TV shows, including every Trek series). CBS dissolved Paramount Television around 2009 and folded Trek into its long list of TV properties.

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Question and I know I'll probably not going to get an answer but how much are the TV right for Star Trek?
Pretty much what C.E. Evans said. Right now, Star Trek TV is printing money with people buying the DVD/Blu-ray sets on already produced episodes, and it's highly unlikely that CBS has any plans to sell new rights to anyone, which means that they're not even on the table. While the franchise is popular, it's rare that anyone can afford "not for sale."

Add to the fact that there have been a number of offers over the years from people with the clout to produce a TV show (Roberto Orci, Bryan Fuller, Michael Dorn, just to name a few), and CBS has said no every time.

So for now, they don't want to, and considering what they own, they can hold that position indefinitely.
This in a nutshell, IMO.

The defunct Paramount Television needed new Trek shows for syndication and later UPN; CBS doesn't, but they can still make money by licensing Trek out to Paramount and other companies...and all without having to sink millions into a new series, at least for the time being.
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Old June 9 2014, 08:19 PM   #21
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Right C.E.. Even before the 2005 split Les Moonves was the top dog overseeing TV properties including Star Trek, and still is today. CBS wholly owns Star Trek and Paramount (as owned by Viacom) pays a licensing fee to make the Star Trek films. Because Summer still had his hands in both companies after the split, contracts between the 2 were a little lighter. Now the companies are growing more distant from each other. It may be conceivable that someday another film studios would pay CBS for the rights to make Star trek films.

back to tv... Kickstarter is not going to help, it is a minimum 3 million for each episode, fans could barely fund one episode, forget an entire season. Star Trek does does fit well into CBS's dynamic, it could never be shown on the CBS network itself because I could never sustain the high enough ratings. The best option is for CBS studios to film the show and then have a cable network (rather on they own network or license the broadcast rights out) show it.
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Old June 10 2014, 12:42 AM   #22
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Re: Could a Kickstarter Campaign Help Start a New Series?

Thanks C.E. Evans - and Tom! Everything's much clearer on that subject. Well, at least STAR TREK seems to be in good hands, regardless of whether or not it's in the "right" hands.
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Old June 10 2014, 01:41 AM   #23
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Isn't this what Tim Russ and the gang at ST Renegades are trying to do? Every step of their production is basically financed by kickstarter-type donations and the final product is to be submitted to various venues in the hopes of becoming a series
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Old June 10 2014, 01:51 AM   #24
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If that's what they're doing, it's likely to fail. The moment they try to shop around a series based on Star Trek, CBS will put the kibosh on them tout suite.
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Old June 10 2014, 02:38 AM   #25
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If that's what they're doing, it's likely to fail. The moment they try to shop around a series based on Star Trek, CBS will put the kibosh on them tout suite.
Yeah. The only place they can "shop" it, is to CBS. When CBS is ready to create a new series, they are going to decide the who, what, when, where and how. It won't be a fan or actor pitch.
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Not naysaying that but I would expect the actors (Russ, Picardo, Koenig, etc) and the behind-the-scenes folk like Doug Drexler know that. They must have a plan for that contingency.
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Old June 10 2014, 02:37 PM   #27
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Not naysaying that but I would expect the actors (Russ, Picardo, Koenig, etc) and the behind-the-scenes folk like Doug Drexler know that. They must have a plan for that contingency.
I think it's sad that they mislead people by claiming that they are making a pilot for CBS (which one of them was on here claiming last year).
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Not naysaying that but I would expect the actors (Russ, Picardo, Koenig, etc) and the behind-the-scenes folk like Doug Drexler know that. They must have a plan for that contingency.
I think it's sad that they mislead people by claiming that they are making a pilot for CBS (which one of them was on here claiming last year).
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Not naysaying that but I would expect the actors (Russ, Picardo, Koenig, etc) and the behind-the-scenes folk like Doug Drexler know that. They must have a plan for that contingency.
Then what are they doing? CBS is the only game in town.
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Old June 13 2014, 05:37 PM   #30
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Star Trek: Renegades is doing the same thing "Of Gods and Men" did and "Axanar" (and Phase II, to a lesser degree) are doing. They're using the names of the people involved (actors and production staff from the actual Star Trek shows) to give their productions clout and appeal to their audience.

In actuality, they're simply another fan film. Plain and simple. Their production values may be a bit higher than someone filming themselves in front of a greenscreen in a spare bedroom, but they're not close to being official, have little (read: no) chance of being "picked up" by CBS, and CBS could turn around and shut them down in a moments notice if they wanted to.


(Note: No disrespect intended to any fan productions or anyone involved. I enjoy watching them as much as the next guy, but that doesn't legitimize them)
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