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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 7 2014, 12:21 AM   #1
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Star Trek II: The God Thing

Ryan Thomas Riddle (aka Middyseafort) pointed out that the Mission Log podcast site has posted the first 20 pages of Roddenberry's 1975 "Star Trek II" script (link). Interesting to see how much of what starts there ended up in TMP.
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Old June 7 2014, 12:25 AM   #2
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Thanks for the link!
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Old June 7 2014, 12:52 AM   #3
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Thanks, indeed. Look forward to reading it.

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Old June 7 2014, 03:59 AM   #4
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Great googa-mooga, I NEVER thought any of that script would ever see the light of day! This is a monumental find. I'm eager to find out if more will ever be posted, naturally.
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Old June 7 2014, 04:53 AM   #5
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That's an awful script... Lucky for ST it never saw the light of day.
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Old June 7 2014, 07:31 AM   #6
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Man, Gene Roddenberry must've been in pretty dire straits by 1975 to be writing Trek fanfic like this …

I'm curious about Ical and the decision to bump Chekov up to First Officer that early on. It suggests an idea, at least to start the movie with, of swapping out about half the regulars, and that's not a bad notion.
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Old June 7 2014, 09:30 AM   #7
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Screenplays often read badly if you're not used to reading them.

What we've seen certainly isn't great but there are germs of some good ideas and visually interesting sequences. It suffers from TV-itis in that it's much too talky, which drags it down.

Hopefully someone will eventually post the rest of it so we can see if the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
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Old June 7 2014, 12:21 PM   #8
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You can definitely see elements of what would become The Motion Picture in there.
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Old June 7 2014, 02:43 PM   #9
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Re: Star Trek II: The God Thing

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I'm curious about Ical and the decision to bump Chekov up to First Officer that early on. It suggests an idea, at least to start the movie with, of swapping out about half the regulars, and that's not a bad notion.
In one unofficial reference book I read in the 90s, it said that Paramount wasn't sure that the television cast could carry a film and they wanted a cast with people like Robert Redford. Carrying over a handful of cast from the television series and bringing in a new cast would be a way of accomplishing that.

I'm curious who "RF" mentioned on the title page is. A producer? Someone at Paramount, surely.

My snap reaction to the first twenty pages is that it's slow, dull, and talky. The Captain's Log infodump is terrible; we've already had a dull, talky scene with Spock, and now we follow it with Kirk talking to himself. For that matter, the dialogue in general is terrible. Plus, nothing happens for the first ten or twelve pages, and the major action takes place off-stage. I'm not hooked by this.

Obviously, there's still a lot of script to go -- I'd assume about 100 pages on the "one page per minute" rule -- so it's not really fair to judge what may be an unrepresentative sample. If this is representative, though, I would have passed on the script at this point. Maybe it could be salvaged with another, tighter draft, one from another writer.
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Old June 7 2014, 06:59 PM   #10
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My first thought as well was that this would have been a MOW, had it been filmed as written. Still, it was a helluva thrill to get to read it and be "back" in 1975 for a moment, contemplating Trek as it was then. Sir Rhosis
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Old June 7 2014, 07:39 PM   #11
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"Earthyear 2231.71". Fascinating.
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Old June 7 2014, 08:18 PM   #12
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Got a kick out of the transporter-accident, right near the end of the sample -- you can identify several story-elements that survived all the way through Harold Livingston's drafts into The Motion Picture itself.
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Old June 7 2014, 10:37 PM   #13
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How does the novelization compare to the script?
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Old June 7 2014, 11:04 PM   #14
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Ar-Pharazon wrote: View Post
How does the novelization compare to the script?
Novelization?
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Old June 8 2014, 12:00 AM   #15
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Still, it was a helluva thrill to get to read it and be "back" in 1975 for a moment, contemplating Trek as it was then. Sir Rhosis
So true. Those were fun days, weren't they? So much of it existed in our imaginations only, and somehow just having the original series made less seem like more, somehow! There were so many questions we had, and we each had our own answers, all of which were just as valid as the others.

Even the typewritten pages evoke the times!

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