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Old June 7 2014, 05:27 AM   #61
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Re: Twelve Reasons I Love Star Trek Into Darkness

ST09 is the greatest movie ever made.

Well, to me. Personally. I love it with all my heart. I love it as much as Firefly. I wish there were 13 episodes of ST09 that I could watch over and over again and have favorites of and name blogs after and have as comfort food.
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Old June 7 2014, 05:31 AM   #62
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ST09 is the greatest movie ever made.

Well, to me. Personally. I love it with all my heart. I love it as much as Firefly. I wish there were 13 episodes of ST09 that I could watch over and over again and have favorites of and name blogs after and have as comfort food.
2009 is an awesome, awesome movie. Like I've said before, ST09 and STID constantly jockey for first position. They are both fantastic, and so much fun, and YES I would love 13 episodes of ST09 to watch!
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Old June 7 2014, 05:41 AM   #63
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ST09 is the greatest movie ever made.

Well, to me. Personally. I love it with all my heart. I love it as much as Firefly. I wish there were 13 episodes of ST09 that I could watch over and over again and have favorites of and name blogs after and have as comfort food.
2009 is an awesome, awesome movie. Like I've said before, ST09 and STID constantly jockey for first position. They are both fantastic, and so much fun, and YES I would love 13 episodes of ST09 to watch!
If you combine the films and watch roughly 20 minutes a week you can break it up into 13 "episodes".
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Old June 7 2014, 05:47 AM   #64
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The thread title and OP are pretty clear. As BillJ mentioned, there are plenty of other threads to be negative about the film.

STID did have "something to say about the world". It touched on family, loyalty, duty, ideals and friendship. It also touch on the topics of terrorism, government secrecy and political manipulation.
Agreed, I will credit Into Darkness for at least trying to have a message, where Star Trek 2009 didn't even try and was content to be a mindless action-adventure flick. I maintain, though, that its message was lost amidst incessant and overblown action sequences and generally poor storytelling and scriptwriting.
I managed to catch it with out any problems.

ST09 was about one's "first, best destiny" and about finding one's place in the world.
It also presented a (rather mild, thus typically Trek-ian) allegory for "coming out".
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Old June 7 2014, 05:48 AM   #65
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Is it time for this video again? YES YES IT IS

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ST09 is the greatest movie ever made.

Well, to me. Personally. I love it with all my heart. I love it as much as Firefly. I wish there were 13 episodes of ST09 that I could watch over and over again and have favorites of and name blogs after and have as comfort food.
2009 is an awesome, awesome movie. Like I've said before, ST09 and STID constantly jockey for first position. They are both fantastic, and so much fun, and YES I would love 13 episodes of ST09 to watch!
If you combine the films and watch roughly 20 minutes a week you can break it up into 13 "episodes".
*slaps Nerys Myk in the face out of indignation*

Actually, that's not a bad idea.

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Old June 7 2014, 05:53 AM   #67
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Actually, that's not a bad idea.

*slaps Nerys Myk in the face out of appreciation*
I think I'm getting turned on.
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Old June 7 2014, 06:06 AM   #68
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Like Google, my mind filled in the blanks with a 1000 different search terms.
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Old June 7 2014, 01:19 PM   #71
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Old June 7 2014, 03:17 PM   #72
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STID did have "something to say about the world". It touched on family, loyalty, duty, ideals and friendship. It also touch on the topics of terrorism, government secrecy and political manipulation.
And the morally questionable nature of drone strikes.
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Old June 7 2014, 03:53 PM   #73
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I wasn't talking down to anyone, I was expressing an opinion. If you wanted your thread to consist entirely of people lavishing their praise on your beloved movie, then you should have made that clear in the original post. In fact, if you want to avoid encountering dissenting opinions that might "take a shit" on the discussion, then I suggest you avoid the internet entirely.
The thread title and OP are pretty clear. As BillJ mentioned, there are plenty of other threads to be negative about the film.

STID did have "something to say about the world". It touched on family, loyalty, duty, ideals and friendship. It also touch on the topics of terrorism, government secrecy and political manipulation.
Agreed, I will credit Into Darkness for at least trying to have a message, where Star Trek 2009 didn't even try and was content to be a mindless action-adventure flick. I maintain, though, that its message was lost amidst incessant and overblown action sequences and generally poor storytelling and scriptwriting.
As others have said, ST09 was a coming of age movie. It also addressed nature versus nurture. Isn't that enough?

But must there always be a message? I mean, every story needs a theme, it's just whether or not there's an intent for the story to convey a message as well, or address a contemporary issue. Still, can't we just sometimes enjoy a vanilla ice cream cone without having to contemplate its place in the universe?

In TOS, where were the deep and heavy messages or themes in "The Trouble with Tribbles", "A Piece of the Action", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Amok Time", "Where No Man Has Gone Before", "Balance of Terror", "I Mudd", or "Space Seed"? I could name more. And those are popular top ten episodes with fans.

TOS entertained, first. The degree to which it tried to get across a message was problematic. And frankly, TOS hardly addressed heavy issues. I think STID was the most message-loaded Trek, ever while still telling an entertaining story and advancing the characters. 'Splosions and a message (and Alice Eve in a bra and panties). Now that's kewl. It's ice cream with sprinkles.
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Great thread, BillJ!
I agree with all your points. I'll add a few of my own, although they're more on the nerdy side...

Earth
It's amazing. I've always wanted to see busy cities in Trek's world, but of course they could never afford to show more than sleepy back streets and a tranquil academy campus. Yes, it's not much different from the world's of other futuristic sci-fi blockbusters or ours today, but I love it nonetheless - and it's implications for the rest of the Trekverse. Picard stuck in traffic or Worf waiting for a bus is at once ridiculous and awesome.

Also, no nudist parks where kids take their pet tigers. Always a big plus.

The details
Even the virtually illegible background graphics and signage tell a story. There is an insane amount of detail, and none of the endless anime or Buckaroo Banzai references that typified TNG-era screen graphics (in a movie featuring Buckaroo himself, no less!) It's all Star Trek, drawing on a half-decade of rich backstory, and goes a long way to making the world feel alive. Newscasters talking about unrest on Andoria and culture clashes going on across the sector, damage report graphics referencing technology detailed in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. I've had far too much fun spotting them all. It's another whole layer of fun for hardcore Trekkies.

Nerdy questions answered
-Endless debates about continuity of timelines settled (officially, at least) by a display of Trek models on the Admiral's desk.

-Remember "The Immunity Syndrome", where Spock felt the sudden death of 400 Vulcans? Turns out he felt those 6 billion die in ST'09 too.

-Khan is shamelessly from 3 centuries ago. No attempt at retconning Trek into our world, they embraced Trek as a universe unto itself.
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Old June 7 2014, 04:53 PM   #75
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Great thread, BillJ!
I agree with all your points. I'll add a few of my own, although they're more on the nerdy side...

Earth
It's amazing. I've always wanted to see busy cities in Trek's world, but of course they could never afford to show more than sleepy back streets and a tranquil academy campus. Yes, it's not much different from the world's of other futuristic sci-fi blockbusters or ours today, but I love it nonetheless - and it's implications for the rest of the Trekverse. Picard stuck in traffic or Worf waiting for a bus is at once ridiculous and awesome.

Also, no nudist parks where kids take their pet tigers. Always a big plus.

The details
Even the virtually illegible background graphics and signage tell a story. There is an insane amount of detail, and none of the endless anime or Buckaroo Banzai references that typified TNG-era screen graphics (in a movie featuring Buckaroo himself, no less!) It's all Star Trek, drawing on a half-decade of rich backstory, and goes a long way to making the world feel alive. Newscasters talking about unrest on Andoria and culture clashes going on across the sector, damage report graphics referencing technology detailed in Mr. Scott's Guide to the Enterprise. I've had far too much fun spotting them all. It's another whole layer of fun for hardcore Trekkies.

Nerdy questions answered
-Endless debates about continuity of timelines settled (officially, at least) by a display of Trek models on the Admiral's desk.

-Remember "The Immunity Syndrome", where Spock felt the sudden death of 400 Vulcans? Turns out he felt those 6 billion die in ST'09 too.

-Khan is shamelessly from 3 centuries ago. No attempt at retconning Trek into our world, they embraced Trek as a universe unto itself.
As it should be.
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