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Old June 15 2014, 03:20 PM   #211
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Re: Twelve Reasons I Love Star Trek Into Darkness

It's funny reading people say that Uhura didn't respect Kirk.
I, for one, thought that she was more a friend to him than Spock! I find their relationship ten times more believable and 'visible'.
I also thought that it was the whole point of their dynamic in the first movie that he gained her respect (symbolized by the different tone she used to call him 'captain' too) even if it means he still didn't get the girl.
She's the one who asked him how he felt after Pike died. She comforted him when Bones was in danger, she was generally protective to him in the kronos battle (speaking about S/U arguing one time but then being able to be all business after that: the scene with the klingons is pretty much proof of that and that they can work together probably better than other combinations of characters that aren't romantically involved with each other) as he was to her. She did cry when he died and a lot of people seem to forget that in the end she didn't just save Spock, she saved Kirk too.

I don't see Uhura lacking respect for him more than Scotty, Spock and Carol anyway.
I may also remind to some people here that Carol, for example, brought up Kirk's personal life - see the whole rumor about Chapel - while on duty to tease him and suggest he had a bad reputation (AND she did that right after he had just busted her for lying about her identity to get aboard the enterprise). Not to mention telling him to just turn around without telling him what she was doing behind him (in that, I can see why some people think she wanted him to see her lol )
So apparently a girl that just met him 5 minutes ago can refer to him the way she wants and as if they were long time friends and forget he's her commanding officer BUT Uhura who had known Kirk for longer and who is in some way one of his friends, suddenly doesn't respect him as a captain just because she started arguing with her boyfriend and said 'two minutes captain please'
And don't even let me start about Scotty or Bones or.. everyone saved for Sulu and Chekov basically.
Here we go with the double standards when it comes to Uhura... how is that everything this girl says and does seems to always be scrutinized and called bad and yet all the other characters get a free pass after another for every damn thing they do, even when they're way worse? So suddenly she doesn't respect Kirk... and yet using this logic then all the other characters had been was more unrespectful of him as a captain than her.
Like for the S/U relationship and the 'not professional' argument, funny how it works in this fandom and how people are very selective when it comes to applying their own standards and rules about how the characters should behave.


I also think that the Spock/Uhura thing being something that already existed pre-enterprise - like the friendship between Kirk and McCoy and possibly Spock/Pike, Pike/Kirk and Sulu/Chekov - is what makes it so great to me. It's part of these characters but it's not the be all and end all of the whole story the way other romances are. The mystery is also part of the appeal especially knowing Spock as a character. This kind of narrative has a name that now I'm missing. Nevertheless, I prefer it over watching them get together IN the movies and for a number of reasons that I bet are the same of the writers.
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Old June 15 2014, 04:59 PM   #212
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So fucking venomous
This.

It's been 15 years since TPM, and the hate machine is still going non-stop. Why are people still so enraged? Because a set of films didn't meet their expectations? They need to get over it.

Part of the problem, I think, is consensus culture. Hating the prequels is considered the mainstream thing to do, in that it's what the "cool" people are doing. And a lot of people so desperately want to fit in.
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Old June 15 2014, 05:15 PM   #213
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About Uhura respecting Kirk, ST'09 showed us him earning her respect, from her refusing to call him captain in the Kobayshi Maru test to the scorn-dripping "I sure hope you know what you're doing... captain" after Kirk goaded Spock into resigning and finally her enthusiastic "Dock control reports ready, captain!" at the very end. By the end of the movie, she believed in him.
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Old June 15 2014, 09:43 PM   #214
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And I've abandoned the ST:XI forum here for the most part though at one time it was my main forum for posting. Because, haters. Just freaking have a hate thread and a love thread and let me hang out in the love thread and not have to read WHY my love is wrong every other post. Might be an exaggeration, haven't been here in a while
It's pretty mild and friendly here now, compared to the wild & woolly days of 2008, 2009, and the first half of 2010. Also a lot quieter, though part of that's down to the retirement of some of the uncontrollably angry people.
It must have been over a year since the last furious Delta Vega thread. White Khan to the rescue!

But I think we did manage to squeeze some fun out of even the most fractious times here.
Oh, yikes - the Plot Hole City threads.



Even after the biggest part of the excitement had died down, stuff like that would still crop up now and then. There were some pretty good discussions in those threads, too, in spite of the one guy's obstinate unwillingness to get what anyone else was saying.
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Old June 21 2014, 08:35 PM   #215
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I know everyone complains to the hilt about her space undies scene, but I think it's one of those situations where she wanted him to peek.
Don't give the writers more credit than they deserve. They're not nearly that sophisticated. They admitted they threw it in for fan-service and they kind of regret it now (just as JJ has even regretted using so much lens-flare, after even his wife started bashing him for it). It was gratuitous by design.

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If it were Baywatch, The Movie, it would make sense. But to throw it in how they did, when they did, was gratuitous and unnecessary.
Agree... maybe have Kirk catch her reflection off a pane of glass or instrument panel. Give the audience a more subtle peek, but really focus on Kirk's expression as he realizes that his feelings for her are MORE than just sexual.
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Old June 21 2014, 09:20 PM   #216
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And he realizes that by catching a glimpse of her undressing? LOL.
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Old June 21 2014, 09:39 PM   #217
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I think all this outrage over a 2 second shot is ridiculous. You see more of that on prime time network television than in any Trek movie. And there was no sex involved.

That was more about JTK's horndog nature than anything else.

For Pete's sake, when I was in high school band in the 70s males and females changed clothes on the same bus, and no one cried foul. And I'm from the Bible Belt.

Who'da thunk a bunch of Trekkies would be so prudish? Take a breath, people.
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Old June 21 2014, 09:44 PM   #218
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I think all this outrage over a 2 second shot is ridiculous. You see more of that on prime time network television than in any Trek movie. And there was no sex involved.

That was more about JTK's horndog nature than anything else.
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Who'da thunk a bunch of Trekkies would be so prudish? Take a breath, people.
This is spot on. I've seen racier K-Mart ads.

Hell, I'd think a futuristic society would've figured out how to go without underwear!
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Old June 21 2014, 10:00 PM   #219
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Hell, I'd think a futuristic society would've figured out how to go without underwear!
You dirty old man, you.

This is spot on. I've seen racier K-Mart ads.
And thus I discover that Nicki Minaj has been doing K-Mart ads. (Not quite racier than Alice Eve in her skivvies, but still. Unexpected.)
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Old June 21 2014, 10:21 PM   #220
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Hell, I'd think a futuristic society would've figured out how to go without underwear!
You dirty old man, you.
I like hot women in underwear or out of underwear. I don't discriminate!
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Old June 21 2014, 10:39 PM   #221
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Hell, I'd think a futuristic society would've figured out how to go without underwear!
You dirty old man, you.
I like hot women in underwear or out of underwear. I don't discriminate!
I never thought I'd say this, but the older I get the more I prefer them in the underwear.
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Old June 21 2014, 11:27 PM   #222
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And he realizes that by catching a glimpse of her undressing? LOL.
Yeah, that came out wrong. Just meant that Kirk's expression could have been used for more than it was.

And to those that followed, not sure where you've read outrage into my comments.
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Old June 21 2014, 11:31 PM   #223
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Ummmm...physical attraction is usually the first step. That he saw her in her undies probably just sealed the physical deal. As you might recall, Kirk seemed visually intrigued by Carol just on first appearance on the shuttle....so all this bitchin about Carol in her undies is really moot...and ridiculous.
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Old June 21 2014, 11:31 PM   #224
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And he realizes that by catching a glimpse of her undressing? LOL.
Yeah, that came out wrong. Just meant that Kirk's expression could have been used for more than it was.

And to those that followed, not sure where you've read outrage into my comments.
Not you specifically, but the "vocal minority" who think that Alice Eve in underwear is sexist, demeaning, and pornographic. Yes, I've seen those exact words used to describe the 2 second shot.

In that context it's not only ridiculous and prudish, but pretty damn silly.
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Old June 22 2014, 03:14 AM   #225
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And he realizes that by catching a glimpse of her undressing? LOL.
Yeah, that came out wrong. Just meant that Kirk's expression could have been used for more than it was.

And to those that followed, not sure where you've read outrage into my comments.
Not you specifically, but the "vocal minority" who think that Alice Eve in underwear is sexist, demeaning, and pornographic. Yes, I've seen those exact words used to describe the 2 second shot.

In that context it's not only ridiculous and prudish, but pretty damn silly.
Completely agreed.
I know some folks who are fans of the original Battlestar Galactica that thought that the recent Battlestar Galactica series was "pornographic"...or at least, had moments that were "pornographic" to them, as far as they were concerned.
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