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Old June 8 2014, 06:45 PM   #31
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I'm much more interested in Prometheus 2 than in any Alien sequel. I've only seen bits and pieces of 3 and 4 but none of it looked inspiring. I didn't much care for Aliens. The original was, of course, an absolute masterpiece.
Much as I liked Alien, I thought Aliens was far better. Strangely I feel exactly the other way about Terminator and T2...
Just goes to show how taste is subjective--I find Aliens OK on its own, but it is my least favourite of the four, by far (I've not seen any of the AVP movies, nor do I count Prometheus in the Aliens saga directly). Alien, though, stands far above any of the others for me (it's the one I watch the most of my box set of the four).
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Old June 10 2014, 01:14 AM   #32
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Nobody should mention AVP... this black hole of movie entertainment never ceases to tear my heart apart.
Even Prometheus had some entertaining moments... had it just been better scripted... The photography was beautiful.
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Old June 10 2014, 04:29 AM   #33
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I find Aliens to be a somewhat above average action film and nothing more. I know I'm in the minority there, but I found it to be a letdown after the original.
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Old June 10 2014, 06:13 PM   #34
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I find Aliens to be a somewhat above average action film and nothing more. I know I'm in the minority there, but I found it to be a letdown after the original.
The operative difference between the two films IMO is the original had more suspense and less action.
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Old June 10 2014, 07:31 PM   #35
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Nobody should mention AVP... this black hole of movie entertainment never ceases to tear my heart apart.
Even Prometheus had some entertaining moments... had it just been better scripted... The photography was beautiful.
Nobody mentions AvP because nobody remembers it (seriously, name ONE character from that film from memory!) Indeed, it's eminent forgettably is it's second most redeeming feature.

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I find Aliens to be a somewhat above average action film and nothing more. I know I'm in the minority there, but I found it to be a letdown after the original.
The operative difference between the two films IMO is the original had more suspense and less action.
Apples and oranges. Cameron specifically set out to NOT make Aliens just a retread of Ridley's "haunted house in space" and instead made "a war film in space."

Whichever you like best is simply a matter of taste.

Full disclosure though: I have a soft spot for Alien 3. Fully aware of it's many and major flaws...and yet there's something in Fincher's direction that I just dig.

To my mind, the reason why Resurrection doesn't hold up so well to the others isn't because it didn't do the things the previous films did as well, it's that it did too much that the others did instead of doing something new. The only thing about that film I really liked was the new cast of characters and the self discovery arc for Ripley-8.
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Old June 10 2014, 07:47 PM   #36
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To my mind, the reason why Resurrection doesn't hold up so well to the others isn't because it didn't do the things the previous films did as well, it's that it did too much that the others did instead of doing something new. The only thing about that film I really liked was the new cast of characters and the self discovery arc for Ripley-8.
For me it was because of Daniel Heyada as General Perez. I don't know why - or for that matter - they intended for him to be comic relief but it the situation presented it rang as fake.
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Old June 10 2014, 07:52 PM   #37
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I'd actually be interested in a Ripley-8 film that doesn't directly involve the xenomorphs. The scenario has been pretty well played out IMO. Maybe Joss Whedon would like to come back and finish what he started *his* way?
Joss Whedon didn't have Ripley in it at all. He was told to put her in. Seriously, who uses 'xenomorphs' with a straight face?
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Old June 11 2014, 01:17 AM   #39
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I'd actually be interested in a Ripley-8 film that doesn't directly involve the xenomorphs. The scenario has been pretty well played out IMO. Maybe Joss Whedon would like to come back and finish what he started *his* way?
Joss Whedon didn't have Ripley in it at all. He was told to put her in. Seriously, who uses 'xenomorphs' with a straight face?
Not my favourite term I must say, but it's the only name we have for them. Just calling them "aliens" is a nice idea, but it can quickly get confusing as to whether a person is referring to the film(s) or the actual creature.

To be fair though, "xenomorph" is more of a description that a name (literally: alien that transforms) so at least it's apt. Would you prefer "Star Beast"?

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To my mind, the reason why Resurrection doesn't hold up so well to the others isn't because it didn't do the things the previous films did as well, it's that it did too much that the others did instead of doing something new. The only thing about that film I really liked was the new cast of characters and the self discovery arc for Ripley-8.
For me it was because of Daniel Heyada as General Perez. I don't know why - or for that matter - they intended for him to be comic relief but it the situation presented it rang as fake.
There was a weird, inconsistent tone throughout the whole film. Personally I chalk it up to the directing style and some of the casting choices being at odds with writing style. It tried to be a quasi-comedic, cheesey action sci-fi film with a heavy horror element. It's no wonder a lot of stuff felt distinctly off.
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Old June 11 2014, 10:11 AM   #40
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I'd actually be interested in a Ripley-8 film that doesn't directly involve the xenomorphs. The scenario has been pretty well played out IMO. Maybe Joss Whedon would like to come back and finish what he started *his* way?
Joss Whedon didn't have Ripley in it at all. He was told to put her in. Seriously, who uses 'xenomorphs' with a straight face?
Not my favourite term I must say, but it's the only name we have for them. Just calling them "aliens" is a nice idea, but it can quickly get confusing as to whether a person is referring to the film(s) or the actual creature.

To be fair though, "xenomorph" is more of a description that a name (literally: alien that transforms) so at least it's apt. Would you prefer "Star Beast"?

It was used as a joke in the second film and so many people didn't get the joke it's funnier than the joke. Clue about what to call it: look at the name of the film. If you get confused by the lack of an initial cap, you can always put the definite article in front of it to keep yourself right.
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Old June 11 2014, 11:06 AM   #41
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Oh I know it was a joke, but like I said, it's the only name there is. That is at least until Prometheus 2 comes up with something else. The "Engineer's Mates" perhaps? Or maybe the "Sub-Contractors"?

Using "alien" just seems to me like a set-up for a "yo dawg" joke. As in "Yo dawg! I heard you like the alien in Alien, so I put some aliens in Aliens..."
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Old June 11 2014, 03:03 PM   #42
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There was a weird, inconsistent tone throughout the whole film. Personally I chalk it up to the directing style and some of the casting choices being at odds with writing style. It tried to be a quasi-comedic, cheesey action sci-fi film with a heavy horror element. It's no wonder a lot of stuff felt distinctly off.
Exactly. Re-watching the film years later - another problem was - the scene when the Dr. co-mingles with the Queen Xenomorph - and we get this bizarre long monologue that was as you say part comic rellief - part B rated horror.

Also I like Winona Ryder just fine as an actress but her character was strange as well - she didn't IMO play an adroid well at all. And, calling the computer system, 'Father,' was another strange example and ship even had quasi church to interact with, 'Father.'
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Old June 11 2014, 05:18 PM   #43
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There aren't any other queens in the movie. Why not just say queen? It's like a fascinating experiment unfolding before my eyes. I might write a paper on this.
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Old June 11 2014, 06:47 PM   #44
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Pretty sure calling the ship's computer "Father" was just a nod to the Nostromo's "Mother" AI. The use of the chapel was a little odd, but I think it's valid given some allot of the "man playing god" subtext going on. Parent-child relationships were definitely in there too and there could also have been an intentional hints at misogyny in the mix, but like a lot of things in that movie the execution felt muddled.
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I don't have much to add but damn that is funny. I see the usual one frequently but never this one before now.

Alien 5 is one of those hopeful, dreadful movies I don't know if I would want to see or not. Ever since Resurrection it's been all down hill disappointments. Even Alien 3 was disappointing. The less said about AVP and AVP2 the better.
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