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Old June 5 2014, 08:40 PM   #16
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

Well if they absolutely, desperately wanted Alien 5 to also be Prometheus 2, then they needn't resort to time travel. All that is required to happen is for Shaw to have spent the last few centuries in stasis, either still en-route to "Paradise" or mysteriously drifting after having already been.

But the likelihood of that movie being made is slim to nil.
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Old June 5 2014, 09:19 PM   #17
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Although, everything we've seen in Alien has required sublight travel, hence all the cryotubes everywhere.
Not really. They'd use cryo even with FTL — if the travel time was months+ and it was judged impractical to maintain the passengers awake the whole time.
Food, environmental, water recycling, entertainment, keeping any of them from going nuts and slaughtering the others due to being cooped up.

You know, the little things.
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Old June 5 2014, 09:40 PM   #18
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Well if they absolutely, desperately wanted Alien 5 to also be Prometheus 2, then they needn't resort to time travel. All that is required to happen is for Shaw to have spent the last few centuries in stasis, either still en-route to "Paradise" or mysteriously drifting after having already been.

But the likelihood of that movie being made is slim to nil.
Fair point.

This would almost need to be its own trilogy. Or a Marvel-style crossover event. Prometheus 2, Alien 5, and then a third movie to bring it all together.
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Old June 5 2014, 10:33 PM   #19
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

Much as I really love the first two films (and admire the third), I have no interest in revisiting either the Ripley character or the Alien universe. We already know so much about the xenomorphs by now (and have seen them so often), that they no longer have any real sense of mystery or danger about them.

And simply coming up with new variations or different "species" of xenomorph wouldn't be enough to change that, I don't think.
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Old June 6 2014, 01:03 AM   #20
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

I just think it would round out Ripley's story if she were finally able to confront the Xenomorphs on their home turf.
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Old June 6 2014, 01:15 AM   #21
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YES!!! THIS!

And bring back Ron Perlman and Winona Ryder, too!
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Old June 6 2014, 09:36 AM   #22
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

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I would rather have Alien 5 than Prometheus 2* but that's me. The saga needs a decent ending.
The Alien saga had a decent ending. It was the second movie Aliens.
No, that was only the second chapter of the series.

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Although, everything we've seen in Alien has required sublight travel, hence all the cryotubes everywhere.
Not really. They'd use cryo even with FTL — if the travel time was months+ and it was judged impractical to maintain the passengers awake the whole time.
Food, environmental, water recycling, entertainment, keeping any of them from going nuts and slaughtering the others due to being cooped up.

You know, the little things.
Ripley said she wanted to get back for her daughter's 8th birthday, so the cryotubes were used for keeping crews alive but the ships didn't necessarily travel at sublight; Lambert reports the Nostromo was "just short of Zeta II Reticuli", which is 39 light years from Earth. At sublight her daughter would've been much older.

It sounds like Earth's influence would be around that area as Ripley thinks "she would reach the frontier in about six weeks", and the Narcissus was a sublight shuttle only. Though on the flipside according to Burke she "drifted right through the core systems" for 57 years which at sublight would probably have covered a couple of lightyears at most.
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Old June 6 2014, 12:39 PM   #23
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

Though it's never directly addressed, clearly they use FTL, but the journeys are still long enough that cryo is at least more practical if not totally necessary.

Leaving aside the issue of supplies, even on a relatively short duration flight, what would be the point in having the crew awake at all? It's not like they'd have anything to do besides eat, sleep, get into arguments and fuck. The ships' AIs can clearly fly on automatic and can awaken the crew if need be. Same goes for the marines in Aliens. Until they're in drop position, they're essentially cargo.

One thing I thought was interesting was that on one of Cameron's early drafts he had Bishop awake during the trip, watching over the ship and crew. Don't recall why they idea was dropped, maybe he wanted to wait for the knife scene to tip off that he's a synthetic? Either way, I wonder if Ridley (or the various writers) came up with the same idea for David in 'Prometheus' independently, or if it was knowingly "borrowed".
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Old June 7 2014, 01:25 PM   #24
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Although they're not canon I kind of like Dark Horse's followups to Aliens before Alien3 came out (Of course after Alien3 they changed all the names and stuff for future reprints and the novel adaptations )
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Old June 7 2014, 03:31 PM   #25
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I did not know that.
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Old June 7 2014, 05:32 PM   #26
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Basically they originally had the further adventures of Newt & Hicks who are both somewhat messed up after the events in ALIENS (Newt's in an asylum and Hicks has physical and emotional scars from the battle)...and they're joined eventually by Ripley (Who was taken out of sleep before them). Also the Aliens invaded Earth. The comics were also loosely adapted by Steve Perry (Who wrote Star Wars Shadows Of The Empire) into novels.

However, after Alien3 in further reprints ("Outbreak" "Nightmare Asylum" and "Female War") they changed Newt to "Billie" and Hicks to "Wilks" in a weird attempt to still conform to movie continuity (It's obvious who they were supposed to be though) The novel adaptations retconned Ripley into an android. The comics/novels continued using the same basic backstory, that the aliens had invaded earth, but future comics pretty much ignored the wilks/Billie characters and were more standalone, or focused on AVP stuff.

There are of course those weird Kenner comics which had Ripley as part of a marine squad along with a bald, sunglasses wearing Bishop and the strangely alive Apone & Drake. Kind of like those 80's Rambo toons.


There's supposed to be a relaunch of the Aliens comics this year at some point, and it will include prometheus stuff too reportedly.
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Old June 8 2014, 05:38 AM   #27
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Eh, Sigourney is unnecessary. For me, one of the coolest parts of going into Alien for the first time was the expectation that Tom Skerritt would be the hero. Then he gets iced and suddenly it's supporting cast steps to the fore time. Awesome. Ripley becomes a completely unlikely hero. Then she gets dragged back into the nightmare for the chance at revenge, along with another great supporting cast. Awesome.

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Then she comes back AGAIN with a completely lame-ass supporting cast before suiciding to put her role in the grave, once and for all.

And then she comes back AGAIN from the dead, to join another, albeit entertaining supporting cast to fight some aliens and blow up South America.

Why the fuck do these aliens always have to share the screen with this woman?

Narrow-focusing on single characters, or even small groups of characters, because of actor star power in an IP so friggin cool as Aliens or Terminator makes everything feel so small. I don't want to watch an old man try to be an unstoppable killing machine. Or an old woman run around screaming at alien nightmares. There are other people who can play a cyborg (see TSCC) and there are certainly other people who can be potential alien chow.

They don't need to recast the role, or think up some new way for old lady Ripley to fight aliens. Seriously, Sigourney, give it up. After 3 and 4 you said you were done, but now we need a 5? Sigh. They need to come up with a different scenario, with different characters set in the same universe. And they need to not get the asshole who wrote Prometheus to do this.

I'm really looking forward to the side-quel Alien: Isolation survival horror game coming out later this year focused on her daughter investigating the loss of the Nostromo in the years between Alien 1 and 2. Yeah, it has an alien, but NO RIPLEY and NO PREDATORS, and the aim is sci-fi horror.

As a tangential side-note related to recasting iconic roles: STOP CASTING Jai Courtney as anything other than the dumb muscle. I've worked with slabs of modeling clay with more personality than this asshole. Sebastian Stan should have been the reboot Kyle Reese. And Michael Biehn should be given a future war cameo. End of story.
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Old June 8 2014, 04:05 PM   #28
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I'd be up for Alien 5 and generally agree with it being somewhere random in deep space. Whether that's with Ripley or not, I'm less bothered. I wasn't much of a fan of Alien 3 or 4.
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Old June 8 2014, 04:59 PM   #29
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Re: Sigourney Weaver talks Alien 5... again...

I'm much more interested in Prometheus 2 than in any Alien sequel. I've only seen bits and pieces of 3 and 4 but none of it looked inspiring. I didn't much care for Aliens. The original was, of course, an absolute masterpiece.
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Old June 8 2014, 05:57 PM   #30
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I'm much more interested in Prometheus 2 than in any Alien sequel. I've only seen bits and pieces of 3 and 4 but none of it looked inspiring. I didn't much care for Aliens. The original was, of course, an absolute masterpiece.
Much as I liked Alien, I thought Aliens was far better. Strangely I feel exactly the other way about Terminator and T2...
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