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Old June 4 2014, 06:31 PM   #76
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Can a circular bridge have a back? Uhura's at 11 o'clock. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Paul Winfield bought it in TREK II, and I was somewhat bummed. But if you put that in historical context, you had to EXPECT that. He croaked over and over in TWILIGHT'S LAST GLEAMING, DAMNATION ALLEY, THE TERMINATOR, and BLUE CITY, before and after TWOK. Maybe he wanted that in his contract.

Rather like the early career of Bill Paxton, who kicked four film buckets in 1990 alone.

Does Franklyn Seales's assistant to Scotty in TMP count as a character?
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Old June 4 2014, 06:33 PM   #77
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Nichelle's MLK story is like the prize fish someone claims they caught but you never see -- it just keeps getting bigger and bigger.
The first time I heard it, I thought the same thing. It very well could be false, but since I don't have any reason to believe that she's a serial liar, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, though I won't defend this story vehemently.

A shame we can't ask him ourselves :/
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Old June 4 2014, 06:36 PM   #78
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Can a circular bridge have a back? Uhura's at 11 o'clock.
And the bridge isn't even oriented directly forward anyway. It's rotated a bit off the center line.

As for Terrell's death: It's required for at least two reasons: 1) Terrell has a legitimate reason to die - he sacrifices his life (he had to have known that the Ceti eel would kill him) rather than be ordered to kill Kirk. And 2) he's a guest; of course the guest captain, regardless of race, is much more likely to die, because they're not going to kill off a regular. Terrell didn't die because he was black - he died because he wasn't Kirk.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:40 PM   #79
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Can a circular bridge have a back? Uhura's at 11 o'clock.
And the bridge isn't even oriented directly forward anyway. It's rotated a bit off the center line.

As for Terrell's death: It's required for at least two reasons: 1) Terrell has a legitimate reason to die - he sacrifices his life (he had to have known that the Ceti eel would kill him) rather than be ordered to kill Kirk. And 2) he's a guest; of course the guest captain, regardless of race, is much more likely to die, because they're not going to kill off a regular. Terrell didn't die because he was black - he died because he wasn't Kirk.
A fate shared by countless red shirts.

Of course most of them were White, which means.... I have no idea, but I am sure it means something and I am offended by that!
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Old June 4 2014, 06:52 PM   #80
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A fate shared by countless red shirts.

Of course most of them were White, which means.... I have no idea, but I am sure it means something and I am offended by that!
The redshirt death thing just goes to further prove the racism, implying that only white people are worthy of dying for their cause.
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Old June 4 2014, 07:15 PM   #81
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The problem was that we had seen Andrew Probert’s original ............

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Those threads really did blow up into giant crap storms. You'd think there would be room for a differing point of view.
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Old June 4 2014, 07:21 PM   #82
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The problem was that we had seen Andrew Probert’s original ............

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Those threads really did blow up into giant crap storms. You'd think there would be room for a differing point of view.
I'm new. To what are you referring? Or is that a question that is against the rules?
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Old June 4 2014, 07:22 PM   #83
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Drat, that's kind of too bad about the MLK story. But whatevs.
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Old June 4 2014, 07:22 PM   #84
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A fate shared by countless red shirts.

Of course most of them were White, which means.... I have no idea, but I am sure it means something and I am offended by that!
The redshirt death thing just goes to further prove the racism, implying that only white people are worthy of dying for their cause.
What it the person who was wearing the Redshirt was black, female or Asian? Was does that mean?
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Old June 4 2014, 07:27 PM   #85
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Only one TOS black crewman ever cashed his chips onscreen: Watkins from THAT WHICH SURVIVES. Stardate-wise, he may have officially been the last as well.
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Old June 4 2014, 07:46 PM   #86
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I'm new. To what are you referring? Or is that a question that is against the rules?
It's okay to ask. Bob outlined what went down a page back. If you want to read through them, here are the links he provided.

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... the TNG thread

The Fan Art thread

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Drat, that's kind of too bad about the MLK story. But whatevs.
I don't doubt that there was some kind of communication between Nichelle and MLK regarding her staying with the show. Its just that over the years, every time she tells it, it changes a little. The way she tells it now is very different from the first time I heard her tell it back in the 70's. That's why some are starting to question it.
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Old June 4 2014, 08:08 PM   #87
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The OP seems the racist one to me. One should learn to be colour blind when it comes to Star Trek.
I know this wasn't your intent, and that you meant it positively as in everyone should be treated equally (and we should strive for that), so forgive me for using your post as a starting point, but while it makes a nice soundbite, being "color blind" doesn't actually solve anything or address the very real problem of racial inequality we face in the world today. It sweeps uncomfortable issues under the rug by pretending that race (artificial construct though it is) is not a major or even the dominant factor in the continuing interpersonal and institutional inequality and injustice faced by minorities around the world.
Not saying it is. Not really talking about the world today, merely that I saw that opening post and had to laugh at it. Especially the one on Admiral Cartwright being outed as a "villain" at the end of Trek VI (only one of many saboteurs btw) implies the franchise is racist, simply because he's portrayed by an actor who happens to be African-American
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Old June 4 2014, 08:23 PM   #88
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The OP seems the racist one to me. One should learn to be colour blind when it comes to Star Trek.
So it's just coincidence or just natural biological superiority that 4 out of 5 of the Commanders in Star Trek were Caucasians?

You really can't separate race from Trek given how paramount a subject it is in America and Trek is very much a cultural artifact of America. If there was honest color blindness in Star Trek, there wouldn't be four white guys as Captains in the first place!
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Old June 4 2014, 08:52 PM   #89
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Way back in The Original Series episode "Court Martial", Commodore Stone appears as a human of African descent who outranks Kirk.
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Old June 4 2014, 08:57 PM   #90
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There has certainly been a legacy in television in general to usually feature white actors in more prominent, commanding roles than non-white actors. I especially liked 30 Rock's commentary on that in their live episode. Star Trek is not innocent of playing into that trend.

But when you start calling it racist every time a white character gets a promotion or a black character possesses any kind of character flaw, you hard a hard time maintaining credibility. Not every casting decision is a political statement. Race shouldn't be considered in either direction with casting decisions.

And I have a hard time seeing Geordi as a negative stereotype. He's no more subservient in his role than O'Brien in the same position in DS9 but you would never say O'Brien portrays Irishmen as subservient people. Geordi is shown as an extremely competent technical nerd lacking in social skills. If a white character were shown with the exact same personality he would just be seen as a run of the mill nerd.
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