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Old June 4 2014, 06:35 AM   #16
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Always some poster gotta invoke Tuvok. Bust this: Those TV shows and movies are about how the white man keeps the brother man down, even on the far side of the galaxy. Check this shit: You got farm boy Jean-Luc Picard, Nazi poster boy, skinhead, blue eyes. And then you got Worf, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Klingon god!

Now... Worf, he's a spiritual brother, y'know, down with Sto-vo-kor and all that good shit. Then this captain, Picard, gets assimilated and the boy decides he's gonna run the fuckin' universe; gets a whole clan of whites together. And they go and bust up Worf's hood, the Enterprise. Now what the fuck do you call that?

Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, safe for white zombies. And First Contact is the most insulting installment! Because Worf's beautiful vessel is sullied and he has to be rescued by the same feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all want to be saved by the whites!

Black rage!
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Old June 4 2014, 06:38 AM   #17
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Last time I read a diatribe as angry as the original post was in 1970, when I bought a newspaper from some genuine Black Panthers in Forest Park. They were very polite.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:40 AM   #18
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

No.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:41 AM   #19
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

All of this makes me feel ashamed to be a black man.
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Old June 4 2014, 06:55 AM   #20
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Uh, no, Terrell sacrifices his own life rather than murder fellow Starfleet officers. And hardly does so in shame; more like, he's proud to give his life in the line of duty.
I didn't see your post when I made basically the same point. Apologies for that!
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Old June 4 2014, 07:58 AM   #21
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What's a Nubian?
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Old June 4 2014, 08:27 AM   #22
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Star Trek does often reflect a certain level of white privilege, but I don't think it's fair to call it racist. It has a longstanding, though imperfect, commitment to anti-racism.
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Old June 4 2014, 08:53 AM   #23
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What's a Nubian?
It's a model of starship developed largely for the planet Naboo, used by the Naboo Queen...in this case, Queen Amidala.

Oooops....I better stop now before the racist conspiracy b.s. starts up about Jar Jar Binks and the Gungans.
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Old June 4 2014, 09:03 AM   #24
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Captain Terrell was a great character, and a true hero. Or so I've believed since 1982, anyway, but apparently I've been wrong all these years.
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Old June 4 2014, 09:09 AM   #25
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I have little time for newbies who come on and in their first post try to make waves. Most such guys disappear as quickly as they appear.

I certainly don't agree with the most of the specific arguments the OP makes, but I do agree that Star Trek (and American TV in general) is much too lily white. And it's not just blacks/African Americans who get the short shrift: it's asians (of all stripes), hispanics, etc. etc.
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Old June 4 2014, 09:55 AM   #26
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first female starship captain ever, was a black women in ST IV:TVH.

I think subtle tones of racism (C-3PO acts a lot like an African American stereotype in early films and series) are rather found in the original Star Wars Trilogy.

And the opening scene in Kevin Smith's "Chasing Amy" featuring Hooper-X addresses this issue in a remarkable way (it's a must-see - and apparently was the inspiration for the OP and Locutus...)

I concur with Maurice, the portrayal of asians and hispanics could have been more prominent in Star Trek. I wonder how popular or unpopular Star Trek is in emerging markets like China or Brazil.

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Old June 4 2014, 09:59 AM   #27
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(C-3PO acts a lot like an African American stereotype in early films and series)
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Old June 4 2014, 10:08 AM   #28
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Threepio and Artoo are robots that have no individual rights but owners. They are sold like slaves to Lars Homestead which by definition is a moisture "farm" and the two droids will be given farmwork.

That wouldn't be such a big issue, but especially Threepio acts exactly like African American servants in films and series of the 1930's: He is noticably timid and constantly afraid, he talks too much and gets on everybody's nerves. And later we got JarJar Binks. Just coincidence?

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Old June 4 2014, 10:12 AM   #29
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(C-3PO acts a lot like an African American stereotype in early films and series)
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I don't get this either. It's not like he's waddling around saying "Feets, do yo' stuff!"
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Old June 4 2014, 11:35 AM   #30
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I concur with Maurice, the portrayal of asians and hispanics could have been more prominent in Star Trek.
Khannnn, at least the actor who playing him twice. But then TPTB did replaced the Hispanic with a pasty-faced Brit with a speech impediment.

I wonder how popular or unpopular Star Trek is in emerging markets like China or Brazil.
Can't speak to China, but it's moderately popular in Brazil.



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