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Old June 19 2014, 06:10 AM   #241
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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Uhura: Any number of listings (I personally read the first 10) when I Googled "did MLK and Nichelle have a conversation?"...they most certainly did...just like she said...and, I also learned that there was a "black/white"'romance story line with her when she was in "The Lieutenants" that was not allowed to air because of the time and the content...Roddenberry was later quoted as lamenting this, and being determined to make Star Trek as diverse as he was possibly able...
It's probably a myth that the episode in question, "To Set It Right", was not aired. According to IMDB it premiered on Feb 22, 1964, and is also listed on the website TV Tango on that date and at 8pm.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0631555/...?ref_=tt_dt_dt
http://www.tvtango.com/listings?


Maybe yes, maybe no?...note "intended" and footnote 2

How far we have come, in either case...

To Set It Right
"To Set It Right"
The Lieutenant episode
Episode no. Season 1
Episode 21
Directed by Vincent McEveety
Written by Lee Erwin
Produced by Norman Felton
Del Reisman
Gene Roddenberry
Original air date February 22, 1964 (intended)
Episode chronology
← Previous
"Green Water Green Flag" Next →
"In the Highest Tradition"
To Set It Right is an episode of the television series The Lieutenant[1] produced by Gene Roddenberry. Written by Lee Erwin, and featuring Nichelle Nichols in the cast, it was about racial prejudice. [2] The network declined to air a television program with that subject matter. A videotape of the episode is in the collection of the Paley Center for Media in New York, contributed to the center by Gene Roddenberrry.

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"LIEUTENANT, THE: TO SET IT RIGHT (TV)". The Paley Center for Media. Retrieved 1 September 2013.
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Old June 19 2014, 06:16 AM   #242
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Spock gave as good as he got, he hardly sat on his hands when it came to the exchange of insults.
True . People (myself included) often forget how many times Spock would actually instigate things. For instance, from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield:

MCCOY: Yes, I would agree. That's the case here.
KIRK: Your prognosis, Doctor?
MCCOY: Well, I can't give you one, Jim. I've never worked on anyone like him or anything like him.
SPOCK: Yet you are pumping him full of your noxious potions as if he were a human.
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Old June 19 2014, 07:40 AM   #243
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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Uhura: Any number of listings (I personally read the first 10) when I Googled "did MLK and Nichelle have a conversation?"...they most certainly did...just like she said...and, I also learned that there was a "black/white"'romance story line with her when she was in "The Lieutenants" that was not allowed to air because of the time and the content...Roddenberry was later quoted as lamenting this, and being determined to make Star Trek as diverse as he was possibly able...
It's probably a myth that the episode in question, "To Set It Right", was not aired. According to IMDB it premiered on Feb 22, 1964, and is also listed on the website TV Tango on that date and at 8pm.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0631555/...?ref_=tt_dt_dt
http://www.tvtango.com/listings?


Maybe yes, maybe no?...note "intended" and footnote 2

How far we have come, in either case...

To Set It Right
"To Set It Right"
The Lieutenant episode
Episode no. Season 1
Episode 21
Directed by Vincent McEveety
Written by Lee Erwin
Produced by Norman Felton
Del Reisman
Gene Roddenberry
Original air date February 22, 1964 (intended)
Episode chronology
← Previous
"Green Water Green Flag" Next →
"In the Highest Tradition"
To Set It Right is an episode of the television series The Lieutenant[1] produced by Gene Roddenberry. Written by Lee Erwin, and featuring Nichelle Nichols in the cast, it was about racial prejudice. [2] The network declined to air a television program with that subject matter. A videotape of the episode is in the collection of the Paley Center for Media in New York, contributed to the center by Gene Roddenberrry.

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References
ReferencesEdit

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/58297...es-part-2-the/
"LIEUTENANT, THE: TO SET IT RIGHT (TV)". The Paley Center for Media. Retrieved 1 September 2013.
Your post is confusing. The episode info you list doesn't appear in the link your provided. What's the from?
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Old June 19 2014, 11:25 AM   #244
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Roddenberry was later quoted as lamenting this, and being determined to make Star Trek as diverse as he was possibly able...
Be interesting to know, how much later?

Was it in the seventies when Roddenberry was re-inventing himself and so much of his own history?

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Old June 19 2014, 11:49 AM   #245
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Episode info in text of post...link came with copy paste, and was only meant to references the show and history in general and I thought you would enjoy the trip back to the past...

The info in the post came from:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Set_It_Right

...sorry...had all of the wiki page in my preview window, but did not check to see that it made it intact...
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Old June 19 2014, 11:51 AM   #246
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Old June 20 2014, 09:05 AM   #247
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Episode info in text of post...link came with copy paste, and was only meant to references the show and history in general and I thought you would enjoy the trip back to the past...

The info in the post came from:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Set_It_Right

...sorry...had all of the wiki page in my preview window, but did not check to see that it made it intact...
Sadly none of the pages mentioned thus far cites the source of the assertion that it never aired. Who said it didn't? Gene? A Biographer?

The problem with so many internet "facts" is that that they're frequently all from the same non-sourced claim and repeated like a game of telephone.
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Old June 20 2014, 09:12 AM   #248
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The problem with so many internet "facts" is that that they're frequently all from the same non-sourced claim and repeated like a game of telephone.
That is a major problem nowadays. It does make me wonder how rumors got started years ago, with no internet to carry the misinformation on the four winds.

For example, who among us didn't hear back in the day that Mikey from the Life cereal commercials died eating Pop Rocks? Where the heck did that originate?!
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Old June 20 2014, 11:25 AM   #249
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Re: The racist legacy of Star Trek

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Spock gave as good as he got, he hardly sat on his hands when it came to the exchange of insults.
True . People (myself included) often forget how many times Spock would actually instigate things. For instance, from Let That Be Your Last Battlefield:

MCCOY: Yes, I would agree. That's the case here.
KIRK: Your prognosis, Doctor?
MCCOY: Well, I can't give you one, Jim. I've never worked on anyone like him or anything like him.
SPOCK: Yet you are pumping him full of your noxious potions as if he were a human.
Oh yes, One of his best moments.

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Old June 20 2014, 11:28 AM   #250
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here the heck did that originate?!
Probably from "Mikey" himself, lamenting the loss of his oh so brief stardom and in a pathetic grasp for attention.

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Old June 20 2014, 03:51 PM   #251
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Precocious child then, considering his age when that rumor was around.
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Old June 20 2014, 04:19 PM   #252
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Beaver Cleaver died in Vietnam.
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Old June 20 2014, 05:44 PM   #253
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Episode info in text of post...link came with copy paste, and was only meant to references the show and history in general and I thought you would enjoy the trip back to the past...

The info in the post came from:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Set_It_Right

...sorry...had all of the wiki page in my preview window, but did not check to see that it made it intact...
Sadly none of the pages mentioned thus far cites the source of the assertion that it never aired. Who said it didn't? Gene? A Biographer?

The problem with so many internet "facts" is that that they're frequently all from the same non-sourced claim and repeated like a game of telephone.
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The problem with so many internet "facts" is that that they're frequently all from the same non-sourced claim and repeated like a game of telephone.
That is a major problem nowadays. It does make me wonder how rumors got started years ago, with no internet to carry the misinformation on the four winds.

For example, who among us didn't hear back in the day that Mikey from the Life cereal commercials died eating Pop Rocks? Where the heck did that originate?!
Sorry...I still seem to be unclear...the body of my post shows "Air Date" and lists a date and then states "intended"...my earlier earlier post references the number 2 footnote that leads to the below listing:

"To Set It Right is an episode of the television series The Lieutenant[1] produced by Gene Roddenberry. Written by Lee Erwin, and featuring Nichelle Nichols in the cast, it was about racial prejudice. [2] The network declined to air a television program with that subject matter. A videotape of the episode is in the collection of the Paley Center for Media in New York, contributed to the Center by Gene Roddenberry."

I try hard not to post things that cannot be substantiated...
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