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Old June 9 2014, 09:12 PM   #61
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AS you say it's all realtive, but for example would we class Karen Gillian's accent as annoying, harsh or strong? I suspect not.
Annoying? Nah, I don't think I've ever thought an accent was annoying. But, to my ears, actually yea, Amy took some getting used to also, in order for me to attune my ear to understanding her
But that's different we can all struggle with certain accents. For me I had no issues understanding her accent but could that be perhaps I'm somewhat used to hearing a Scottish accent. Having family in Scotland and being a Scot myself.
Exactly my point. If you are used to a certain accent, you don't notice it as being thick, and depending upon how familiar you are with it, you may not even consciously consider it being an accent. It's very hard for me to imagine I (or anyone who speaks like me) has an accent, yet (I just speak normal, it's everyone else who has an accent ), I'm sure to someone with a different accent, it sounds just as noticably an accent as theirs does to me
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Old June 9 2014, 09:33 PM   #62
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But you wouldn't be able to tell that I'm a Scot from my accent, and whilst I might not hear the Scottish accent that often, I might hear it more than say an American.
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Old June 9 2014, 11:06 PM   #63
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They're so harsh and sound awful. A few extreme northern accents also get on my nerves (Eccleston was alright though, but it's just very strong accents that annoy me.)
Eh...strong or thick accent is relative. Many Americans couldn't understand my mom's British accent, but, I barely heard it in person (only noticed it on the phone)

McCoy, took me awhile to train my ear to. Tennant and Smith get talking so fast sometimes, I've had to listen to a scene several times to catch even most of the words. Actors new to me on Britcoms take me awhile to attune my ear to.

A California Accent may sound strong or thick to a Bostonian or someone from New Orleans (and Vice versa)

AS you say it's all realtive, but for example would we class Karen Gillian's accent as annoying, harsh or strong? I suspect not.
Annoying? Probably the most annoying I've heard in a while. As for harsh or strong, both. Her accent, character and portrayal was appalling in general.
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Old June 9 2014, 11:15 PM   #64
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Karen Gillian's Scottish accent is hardly that harsh or strong or thick.
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Old June 10 2014, 01:35 AM   #65
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Karen Gillian's Scottish accent is hardly that harsh or strong or thick.
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The Doctor isn't openly straight. Therefore, he shouldn't be openly gay either.
Since I don't want to slog through the rest of this thread, (which mostly seems to exist only to be provocative anyway), I thought I would just repost the portion of BlastHardcheese's post that is basically what I was going to say.
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I think the only accent in the world that I can say is full on annoying, is the Long Island Teenager.

But, it might have something more to do with the teenager than where they are coming from.
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Old June 10 2014, 03:06 AM   #68
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The Doctor isn't openly straight. Therefore, he shouldn't be openly gay either.
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It needs to be said

Every other Doctor after him had his closest relationship with a woman, generally in sexy clothing (Until McCoy was able to become so close with Ace, who was allowed to remain Tom-Boysih. And of course, SarahJane never had to endure "Sexy Outfit" Costuming).

Two's closest, most dear relationship was with Jamie. He was far more important than Victoria, or Zoe to the Doctor. Consider in The Space Pirates, the three of them are all knocked out. The Doctor, then next to him is Zoe, and next to her Jamie. The Doctor wakes up first, and climbs over the still unconscious Zoe, shouting out "Jamie, Jamie". Even with the closest relationships being with the Female Companion (Generally in Sexy Clothing), most Doctors would check the Companion/person, immediately next to them. I think that shows an extreme attraction to Jamie. Wether you view that as Sexual or in awe of his personality, it still, IMHO, shows an Orientation other than Straight, when he ignores both Victoria's and Zoe's Feminine Wiles
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well in another post they were asking for American Doctor's and tho this is about the "question" at hand, I think if they ever did one, and even though people seem to think he's one dimensional and not indicative of the Gay community, I still feel as an actor he has such a high range of talents, and is literally a comic Genius! I mean timing and his ability to convey stark emotions.. So my vote if they ever did a Gay Doctor, with an American Actor would be Will Turner.. Of Will and Grace.
Do you mean Eric McCormack who played Will Truman and who is, ironically given John Barrowman was apparently up for the role of Will, straight!
Huh? No I'm sorry, I must have mistaken the names.. I was speaking of the crazy friend who came over from time to time..Not Eric McCormack.

As to Zoom's assertion there were no strong female roles on the show. It wouldn't be necessary to make the Doctor a female to get a strong female role model.. I cite Several references..

Sarah Jane Smith, Barbara, Donna Noble, A personal Fav of mine Martha Jones, Rose Tyler and the fascinating and amazingly brilliant Romana.. in both incarnations.

Now I would like to see Romana back in the series, as she was what I always thought was the perfect balance to the know it all Doctor and the banter between them, her high society and advanced Academy point of view, versus the Doctor's ways was always fun to watch. She would in her first incarnation, question and sometimes give the Doctor pause, and even argued the merits of his methods on various occasions, and in some cases, as in her second incarnation in the City of Death, did things on her own, and without his approval, even if she was incorrect, she like when repairing the Time Machine for the Count/Jaggeroth, or like in the Leisure Hive, she was accomplished at fixing the time device and held her own, on a number of minor problems. It really felt like she was another Doctor type character, but from a differing perspective, and could remain feminine without becoming a male in women's clothing..
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I think the only accent in the world that I can say is full on annoying, is the Long Island Teenager.

But, it might have something more to do with the teenager than where they are coming from.
no its both.. trust me

Don't forget the Jersey Shore too...
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Holding my hands up here, I really don’t. The best I could do is examples where clearly the wrong person was cast and quickly replaced; take Geneviève Bujold as Janeway, or Eric Stoltz as Marty McFly.
I thought with both it just wasn't working out. That Bujold didn't really jibe with the grind of American TV and Stoltz and Zemekis parted ways because the tone was wrong. According to this, they shot for four weeks, before deciding it wasn't working out. Stoltz was/is a great actor, but, wasn't right for doing a comedy. And they replaced him. That's hardly, a "meh, you'll do" from the director.



I think there is a tendency to cast based on fame, which is kinda “Meh they’ll do.” Bujold’s casting was like this I imagine, and though it’s not an opinion shared by everyone I would add Scott Bakula into the mix here. I think it was a case of “We can get Bakula therefore we must” irrespective of whether he was suited to the role (and he wasn’t remotely IMO)
I think more of a Paris Hilton in whatever horror film that she did as casting based on fame, and might be a good example of "meh, you'll do."

Was Bakula, though, their first and only choice? It's not like he's so famous that everyone else fades away. I could believe that argument if it was like, "Hey, we can totally get Vince Vaughn, he's a big Star Trek fan, let's get him." Which would've been a hilarious disaster.

Bakula didn't work out, but, I think the scripts were so shitty that I don't know who would've survived.


And talking of Enterprise, and I know he’s not a lead but he is a main cast member, I refuse to believe that Anthony Montgomery was the best actor they could get to play Mayweather in Enterprise? If ever there was an example of “Meh, he’ll do,” it’s there.
Yeah, this might be a good example. Maybe he had a killer audition, because he displayed the charisma of a console. Oy.
At the risk of destroying my own argument though, clearly Mayweather was never meant to be the 'lead' of a show.

As for Bakula, I always got the impression that, at the time, he was as close to a television A-Lister as you could get, along with people like Gary Cole, so it seemed like quite a coup to get him for Trek just to add I like Bakula, I just felt he was horribly miscast as Archer.

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They're so harsh and sound awful. A few extreme northern accents also get on my nerves (Eccleston was alright though, but it's just very strong accents that annoy me.)
Eh...strong or thick accent is relative. Many Americans couldn't understand my mom's British accent, but, I barely heard it in person (only noticed it on the phone)

McCoy, took me awhile to train my ear to. Tennant and Smith get talking so fast sometimes, I've had to listen to a scene several times to catch even most of the words. Actors new to me on Britcoms take me awhile to attune my ear to.

A California Accent may sound strong or thick to a Bostonian or someone from New Orleans (and Vice versa)

AS you say it's all realtive, but for example would we class Karen Gillian's accent as annoying, harsh or strong? I suspect not.
I would class Karen's accent as lovely but then I have a thing about women with Scottish accents. I can still remember when KAren was announced I was out and my g/f saw it on the telly first. I got a text that said "You'll like the new companion she's a Scottish redhead!"

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AS you say it's all realtive, but for example would we class Karen Gillian's accent as annoying, harsh or strong? I suspect not.
Annoying? Nah, I don't think I've ever thought an accent was annoying. But, to my ears, actually yea, Amy took some getting used to also, in order for me to attune my ear to understanding her
But that's different we can all struggle with certain accents. For me I had no issues understanding her accent but could that be perhaps I'm somewhat used to hearing a Scottish accent. Having family in Scotland and being a Scot myself.
Of course there are different scales of Scottish accents as well, so it isn't even like all Scots sound completely alike.
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well in another post they were asking for American Doctor's and tho this is about the "question" at hand, I think if they ever did one, and even though people seem to think he's one dimensional and not indicative of the Gay community, I still feel as an actor he has such a high range of talents, and is literally a comic Genius! I mean timing and his ability to convey stark emotions.. So my vote if they ever did a Gay Doctor, with an American Actor would be Will Turner.. Of Will and Grace.
Do you mean Eric McCormack who played Will Truman and who is, ironically given John Barrowman was apparently up for the role of Will, straight!
Huh? No I'm sorry, I must have mistaken the names.. I was speaking of the crazy friend who came over from time to time..Not Eric McCormack.
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The Doctor isn't openly straight. Therefore, he shouldn't be openly gay either.
Since I don't want to slog through the rest of this thread, (which mostly seems to exist only to be provocative anyway), I thought I would just repost the portion of BlastHardcheese's post that is basically what I was going to say.
I don't see that with nuWho, he seems very hetero to me. He married a woman, there's no "The Boy in the Fireplace" or John Redfern or romps with male royalty.
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The Doctor isn't openly straight. Therefore, he shouldn't be openly gay either.
Since I don't want to slog through the rest of this thread, (which mostly seems to exist only to be provocative anyway), I thought I would just repost the portion of BlastHardcheese's post that is basically what I was going to say.
I don't see that with nuWho, he seems very hetero to me. He married a woman, there's no "The Boy in the Fireplace" or John Redfern or romps with male royalty.
Doesn’t he flirt with both Jack and Shakespeare (and in fact doesn’t stop Jack kissing him) and I’m pretty sure he refers to some historical figure or other as being a bit of a naughty fellow.

Of course most instances of this did occur during the reign of one particular show runner (although previous show runners might have wanted to address such matters and just not been able to because of the times)

For me it seems pretty clear that, as far as one can say regarding a 1000+ year old alien, he probably prefers ladies, but isn’t opposed to the odd dalliance with a bloke if the right man comes alone
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As to Zoom's assertion there were no strong female roles on the show.
You're gonna have to link to where I said there were no strong female roles on the show, or retract that statement.

That's NOT what I was saying.

Edited to add: The point I was making, why should girls and women be content with the companions (sidekicks to the Doctor) as their role models, as one poster was suggesting. Why should their role model always be looking up to the male hero?
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