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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 7 2014, 09:57 PM   #31
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

I still think Generations could have been saved by a 10 minute long choreographed fist fight between the two captains.
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Old June 7 2014, 10:10 PM   #32
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

I thought the interior of the Enterprise D translated superbly to the big screen it looked far more polished and luxurious than the crappy made for TV Enterprise E interior sets, probably down to the excellent cinematography in Generations.

Horses for courses I guess...
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Old June 7 2014, 10:18 PM   #33
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

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I still think Generations could have been saved by a 10 minute long choreographed fist fight between the two captains.
On the collapsing bridge. While Soren watches, with a perplexed "What's up with these guys?" look on his face.
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I thought the interior of the Enterprise D translated superbly to the big screen it looked far more polished and luxurious than the crappy made for TV Enterprise E interior sets, probably down to the excellent cinematography in Generations.

Horses for courses I guess...
Yeah, never really understood where the whole 'Ent-D sets weren't good enough for cinema' comment was coming from. Especially given many of the sets migrated from the movies in the first place! I too preferred what was done with them in GENS to the bland, uninteresting, generic sci-fi-channel-movie-of-the-week feel I always get from the Ent-E sets.
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Old June 8 2014, 12:12 AM   #34
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

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I thought the interior of the Enterprise D translated superbly to the big screen it looked far more polished and luxurious than the crappy made for TV Enterprise E interior sets, probably down to the excellent cinematography in Generations.

Horses for courses I guess...
That's sarcasm...... right?!?!
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Old June 8 2014, 01:31 AM   #35
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

wasn't the biggest reason conservation of time and resources? Weren't both "All Good Things" and Generations being produced at the same time? All hands on deck and all that...
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Old June 8 2014, 02:48 AM   #36
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

Production on Generations involving the TNG cast commenced just days after filming wrapped on "All Good Things...", although the Enterprise-B sequences involving Shatner, et al, had been shooting for a few weeks prior to this already.

So yep -- you could pretty much almost refer to them as a single, continuous production, apart from the differences in shooting-crew (the TV crew on the finale, versus the feature-film crew behind the scenes on Generations).
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Old June 8 2014, 04:26 AM   #37
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

If u listen to the writers commentary they say because they were writing the script for both generations and all good things they couldn't remember what happens to the characters,think it would of that been better if someone else wrote generations or waited a year to do the movie and give the cast and crew time to relax and prepare for the big screen.
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Old June 8 2014, 07:28 AM   #38
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Trek in the 90s was like the Marvel movies of today..rolling em off the conveyor belt as quickly as possible

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Old June 8 2014, 10:54 AM   #39
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I thought the interior of the Enterprise D translated superbly to the big screen it looked far more polished and luxurious than the crappy made for TV Enterprise E interior sets, probably down to the excellent cinematography in Generations.

Horses for courses I guess...
That's sarcasm...... right?!?!
No
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Old June 8 2014, 09:44 PM   #40
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Trek in the 90s was like the Marvel movies of today..rolling em off the conveyor belt as quickly as possible
Actually, compared to Marvel today, 90s Trek showed remarkable restraint. Boy, when Marvel burns out, they're going to fall hard.
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Old June 9 2014, 12:44 AM   #41
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Old June 9 2014, 01:39 AM   #42
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If u listen to the writers commentary they say because they were writing the script for both generations and all good things they couldn't remember what happens to the characters,think it would of that been better if someone else wrote generations or waited a year to do the movie and give the cast and crew time to relax and prepare for the big screen.
I remember that, and remember thinking the same thing... we might have gotten a better thought-out plot had there been more time between the two. But with both TOS and TNG actors scattering to the winds, TPTB opted to move quickly.
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Old June 9 2014, 06:37 AM   #43
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Re: Why did production on GENERATIONS start so soon after TNG?

Star Trek was BIG in 1994.

Really big, in fact.

The end of TNG was being made a Big Deal of in the press, and there was genuine buzz and enthusiasm for the oncoming Voyager.

I would argue that Star Trek in fact has never had as much broad mainstream appeal as it did in 1994, either before or since.

The powers that be (hallelujah!) basically had two options:


1) Strike while the iron is hot with a big screen Next Generation movie, so they could segue this massive audience seamlessly (they hoped!) from TV show to movie.

2) Cool their heels for a bit, and rebuild momentum/excitement in a TNG feature a couple years down the track, hoping that the massive publicity that followed TNG's finale can be reignited (maybe with a "All Your Favorite Next Generation Characters Are Back Together Again!" publicity drive).


Whatever we may think might have been the best decision, ultimately the studio decided not to take any chances, and threw their support behind making the transition to movies as quickly as possible.

Who knows if strategy #2 could have worked? It might have been better, giving the cast and crew some time to breathe, and the audiences enough time to start missing them. Or it could have backfired completely, and seen the TNG features crash and burn even quicker than they ultimately did.

It's a hard one to call.
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Old June 9 2014, 07:11 AM   #44
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Who knows if strategy #2 could have worked? It might have been better, giving the cast and crew some time to breathe, and the audiences enough time to start missing them. Or it could have backfired completely, and seen the TNG features crash and burn even quicker than they ultimately did.

It's a hard one to call.
Well, do you care more about the quality of your product, or do you just care about making a lot of money from your product?

If it were me, I would have made an 8th season of TNG instead of a contrived Picard/Kirk meetup movie. The season would have focused on the characters going their separate ways. Picard would have retired and married Crusher, Riker would have gotten command of the Enterprise and married Troi, Data would have gotten command of his own ship and taken Geordi along as first officer, and Worf would have gone back to the Klingon homeworld to deal with his family situation.

But of course I care about the quality of my product and am not burdened with worrying about a bottom line.
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Old June 9 2014, 09:00 AM   #45
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Well, do you care more about the quality of your product, or do you just care about making a lot of money from your product?
Well, I think we know which way The Suits At Paramount were going on that one. Follow the money any time.

We know that we would do things differently, because we care about Star Trek on a level other than it just being 'the property' mentioned in signed contracts.

On the other hand, the suits clearly recognized that the original ending of Generations "as shot" was fucked up and would piss a lot of people off, and so they put real money down so the team could go all the way back out to Vegas to reshoot it. So clearly, sometimes emotional considerations do before money.
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