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Old June 10 2014, 02:25 PM   #106
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Re: Imagine the Enterprise, over again!

Hi Ricky!
I hope that familly and kids are going well.

About the ship, two things comes to my mind when seeeing the last concept you showed us:

Dedalus Class (take off the ring)
Vengeance (obvious reason)


I still think the saucer needs to be there, not a ring. Itīs an element always present in ST. Of course it donīt have to be so simple as in TOS, and surelly nothing like we see in TNG. Anyway, I know itīs a hard mission to imagine something different but at the same time so similar. I tryied to draw something, but I donīt got myself satisfied with anything...
About the other parts of the ship, they looks good.
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Old June 10 2014, 05:20 PM   #107
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Re: Imagine the Enterprise, over again!

the problem with transporters is that they put you precisely one Scotty unit away from not actually needing spaceships at all. and what fun is that?
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Old June 11 2014, 06:10 AM   #108
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Food for thought: http://sploid.gizmodo.com/holy-crap-...-fr-1589001939
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Old June 11 2014, 01:31 PM   #109
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the problem with transporters is that they put you precisely one Scotty unit away from not actually needing spaceships at all. and what fun is that?
Not necessarily. Let's say you have interstellar transporters like the subspace transporter from TNG's "Bloodlines" or the "transwarp beaming" from the movies. That's fine if you want to beam from, say, Vulcan to Earth or Andoria to Betazed. But would it be a good idea to use it to beam to some uncharted, distant planet? What if its conditions, or its natives, are hostile? Then you're stuck there with no way out, no ship to protect you or rescue you. So ships would still be useful for exploring strange new worlds.
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Old June 11 2014, 02:54 PM   #110
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Old June 11 2014, 04:23 PM   #111
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But would it be a good idea to use it to beam to some uncharted, distant planet? What if its conditions, or its natives, are hostile?
so send a MALP first. environment suit. phasers on stun.
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Old June 11 2014, 04:36 PM   #112
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And eventually, you have the Iconian Empire.
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Old June 11 2014, 04:41 PM   #113
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But would it be a good idea to use it to beam to some uncharted, distant planet? What if its conditions, or its natives, are hostile?
so send a MALP first. environment suit. phasers on stun.
Not very useful if you want to, say, study a gas giant planet or a binary pulsar. And just because you can do something doesn't automatically mean you should. Sure, you could beam a landing party directly to an alien planet, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't still be a good idea to have a ship or base of some kind at close range in the event of transporter interference. How many times have we seen episodes where they had to use shuttles because the transporter was damaged or blocked?

Even on Stargate, they often used FTL ships as an alternative to gate travel, for a variety of different reasons. The technologies complement each other, rather than one completely supplanting the other.
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Old June 11 2014, 05:09 PM   #114
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This is gorgeous, but the orientation of the cockpit makes this another jetliner in space. As Christopher points out, by ignoring acceleration forces, this sort of invalidates it as a serious contender for a realistic configuration.

But ... my God, those are beautiful pictures. I'd love to see hi-res versions. This would make an awesome look for a fresh start with the franchise.
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Old June 11 2014, 05:48 PM   #115
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This is gorgeous, but the orientation of the cockpit makes this another jetliner in space. As Christopher points out, by ignoring acceleration forces, this sort of invalidates it as a serious contender for a realistic configuration.
That's not really what I meant. It wasn't so much a matter of realism as one of creativity, familiar Earthbound design assumptions vs. more novel alternatives for a ship with artificial onboard gravity. As I said, a warp drive could work quite well as a sublight gravity drive, and the people within the warp field would feel no acceleration of any kind. They'd be in free fall inside the ship, so orientation wouldn't matter. When they did undergo conventional thrust, I assume it would be like the space shuttle, where the thrust would push them back into their seats -- which is actually what you want when dealing with high g-forces, because then the force is spread out over the body.
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Old June 11 2014, 06:33 PM   #116
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This is gorgeous, but the orientation of the cockpit makes this another jetliner in space. As Christopher points out, by ignoring acceleration forces, this sort of invalidates it as a serious contender for a realistic configuration.

But ... my God, those are beautiful pictures. I'd love to see hi-res versions. This would make an awesome look for a fresh start with the franchise.
Mark Rademaker has always been a great ship modeler. He also designed the Aventine.

A quick google search of the IXS Enterprise turned up this flicker collection in hires.
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Old June 11 2014, 07:31 PM   #117
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Ricky, we are talking about ST reimagined, so, take a look:
http://roadwarriorz44.deviantart.com...Ship-425009532
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Old June 11 2014, 08:19 PM   #118
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Hi Ricky!
I hope that familly and kids are going well.

About the ship, two things comes to my mind when seeeing the last concept you showed us:

Dedalus Class (take off the ring)
Vengeance (obvious reason)


I still think the saucer needs to be there, not a ring. Itīs an element always present in ST. Of course it donīt have to be so simple as in TOS, and surelly nothing like we see in TNG. Anyway, I know itīs a hard mission to imagine something different but at the same time so similar. I tryied to draw something, but I donīt got myself satisfied with anything...
About the other parts of the ship, they looks good.
Hey, they're doing great. My boy is almost 2 now... he's into everything. He can count to 12, and say most of his ABCs already.

He can also recognize the Enterprise, and the TARDIS any time it shows up on TV.

Not sure we have to have a saucer, though... I think this is a good way to evoke that shape, but have the function be completely different.

Beautiful ship, I'm planning to have similar types of detailing on mine. I really like the paint / finish on it... it'll be a nice departure from Aztec panels for me.

I am re-thinking my Nacelles, though. I might go with something similar to the shapes of this ship.

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Ricky, we are talking about ST reimagined, so, take a look:
http://roadwarriorz44.deviantart.com...Ship-425009532
Cool, but too conventional still, I think. I really like the impulse engines at the back.
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Old June 11 2014, 10:19 PM   #119
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The funny thing is that this article is wrong. That is not NASA's new spaceship. That is a design built by Mark Rademaker at the request of Mr. White, who works for NASA.
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Old June 11 2014, 11:07 PM   #120
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gizmodo/io9's reporting is generally dismal when it comes to accuracy on space related articles.
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