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Old May 19 2014, 04:35 PM   #1
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Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

I apologize if this has been asked before, but is there a reason that the Voyager novels are set several years prior to the recent TNG and DS9 ones? I love Kirsten's direction for the VOY series, but it feels odd reading about the recent Borg Invasion and recovery efforts, whereas the other novels are beyond this point, set after the Full Circle fleet's mission is scheduled to end. I really enjoyed Destiny, and thought the four TNG-era series (including Titan) would be set during the same time period from now on. Was it decided that it wasn't a good idea to have the four series set at the same time? I'm sure there's a logical reason. I apologize if this subject has been brought up before, it's my first time here and I didn't see any similar posts
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Old May 19 2014, 05:49 PM   #2
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Kirsten is telling a long-form story and she already ploughed through 2379 & 2380 catching Voyager up to the end of Destiny. I'm guessing that the reason is the same as when the DS9 Relaunch also moved at a deliberately slow pace. The timeline moves at the speed of plot, and we don't want to just skip a full year's worth of story during a planned 3 year mission. As there is no one else out there in the DQ from Starfleet except the FC Fleet, i'd think it was safe for her to move it along this fashion. Kirsten would be the best one to answer this one though. Hopefully she comes by again soon
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Old May 19 2014, 06:05 PM   #3
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Oh, I enjoy her storytelling choices, I didn't intend to sound like I don't like her work. But didn't Titan (which was also on an extended mission) series skip large periods of time? I'm not even saying that's what should have happened with Voyager, I'm just curious if there was a conscious decision to keep Voyager separate from the others. Well, other than the fact that the Full Circle fleet is literally separated by a large distance from the others I won't post any spoilers, but the end of Protectors was great and its got me intrigued for the next novel.
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Old May 19 2014, 06:40 PM   #4
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Oh, I enjoy her storytelling choices, I didn't intend to sound like I don't like her work. But didn't Titan (which was also on an extended mission) series skip large periods of time? I'm not even saying that's what should have happened with Voyager, I'm just curious if there was a conscious decision to keep Voyager separate from the others. Well, other than the fact that the Full Circle fleet is literally separated by a large distance from the others I won't post any spoilers, but the end of Protectors was great and its got me intrigued for the next novel.
Titan did skip big swaths of time, but Titan isn't one large story by one author. It's a multi-author series, so each book was kind of a "one-shot" if you will. Voyager, right now, is a one author series.

I really dug Protectors as well. From what i've seen Kirsten post, it's intended to be the first book of a trilogy.
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Old May 19 2014, 07:02 PM   #5
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Excellent point about the VOY series being by a single author, I hadn't considered that. Oh, a trilogy? Thanks for the info, I guess book two will be Acts of Contrition? I'm looking forward to it.
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Old May 19 2014, 07:08 PM   #6
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Excellent point about the VOY series being by a single author, I hadn't considered that. Oh, a trilogy? Thanks for the info, I guess book two will be Acts of Contrition? I'm looking forward to it.
From what i've seen, the trilogy is:
1-Protectors (Jan. 2014)
2-Acts of Contrition (Sep.2014)
3-Atonement (2015)

I think a lot of people around here are also looking forward to them
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Old May 19 2014, 09:43 PM   #7
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Someone correct me if i'm wrong here, because I haven't gone and checked the publication dates, but I think part of the issue was that the original Voyager relaunch took place right after they got home in 2378 and came out before Nemesis. That relaunch was not successful, so they stopped doing Voyager books. Then years later, after Destiny they brought in Kristen to do another Voyager relaunch, and rather than jump ahead to where the rest of the books were they made a creative decision to start where the first Voyager relaunch left off and go at their own pace.
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Old May 19 2014, 09:58 PM   #8
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

No, the first Voyager novel jumped to Destiny and then past it; since then is when the rest of the novels have gone ahead while Voyager has lagged.

I think New York Times Bestselling Author Kirsten "MF" Beyer should do whatever the hell she wants, though. If it inconveniences everyone else, so be it.
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Old May 19 2014, 10:02 PM   #9
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Something of note: Full Circle itself does skip a good amount of time. IIRC the first part is mostly an Enemy of My Enemy follow-up in September 2378 and then mostly a Destiny follow-up from February to May 2381. I hope maybe in 2015 for the 20th anniversary of Voyager Pocket can do a follow-up to Distant Shores that maybe covers the gaps in Full Circle.

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Someone correct me if i'm wrong here, because I haven't gone and checked the publication dates, but I think part of the issue was that the original Voyager relaunch took place right after they got home in 2378 and came out before Nemesis. That relaunch was not successful, so they stopped doing Voyager books. Then years later, after Destiny they brought in Kristen to do another Voyager relaunch, and rather than jump ahead to where the rest of the books were they made a creative decision to start where the first Voyager relaunch left off and go at their own pace.
I think you're right, but Homecoming, the first post-"Endgame" novel debuted in June 2003.

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No, the first Voyager novel jumped to Destiny and then past it; since then is when the rest of the novels have gone ahead while Voyager has lagged.

I think New York Times Bestselling Author Kirsten "MF" Beyer should do whatever the hell she wants, though. If it inconveniences everyone else, so be it.
Are you forgetting Homecoming, The Farther Shore, Spirit Walk: Old Wounds, and Spirit Walk: Enemy of My Enemy? Those all take place after "Endgame" and before Full Circle.
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Old May 19 2014, 10:02 PM   #10
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No, the first Voyager novel jumped to Destiny and then past it; since then is when the rest of the novels have gone ahead while Voyager has lagged.

I think New York Times Bestselling Author Kirsten "MF" Beyer should do whatever the hell she wants, though. If it inconveniences everyone else, so be it.
But the first Beyer novel started in 2378 correct and then moved quickly to Destiny and a bit ahead, but still didn't catch up all the way to where the rest of the novels were at?
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Old May 19 2014, 10:03 PM   #11
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No, the first Voyager novel jumped to Destiny and then past it; since then is when the rest of the novels have gone ahead while Voyager has lagged.

I think New York Times Bestselling Author Kirsten "MF" Beyer should do whatever the hell she wants, though. If it inconveniences everyone else, so be it.
But the first Beyer novel started in 2378 correct and then moved quickly to Destiny and a bit ahead, but still didn't catch up all the way to where the rest of the novels were at?
Full Circle *did* catch up to the rest of the novels; it finished roughly the same time that A Singular Destiny and Losing The Peace did. Since then, the rest of the novels have gone much faster than the Voyager novels.
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Old May 19 2014, 10:04 PM   #12
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

Protectors rather made me appreciate the time lag relative to the other series. Having the immediate (or near enough) aftermath of the Borg Invasion explored in this series - shall we say, "phase one of post-Destiny", while the others deal with "phase two" - politics and the rise of the Typhon Pact as a functional power - and "phase three" - clearing the cobwebs out and heading back to exploration/stability. It's more interesting to have a window into the Federation's recovery/progress as a society in different places relative to the "present".
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Old May 20 2014, 03:00 AM   #13
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

The real issue to me isn't that Voyager is moving too slow. It's that the Alpha Quadrant series are moving too quickly. I would welcome a return to the slower pace that the original DS9 Relaunch had. Why rush and skip over months and years of story time.
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Old May 20 2014, 03:46 AM   #14
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Re: Question regarding recent TNG, DS9, VOY novels...

I agree. I was disapointed when I realized that majority of the post-Destiny series were jumping over a year or more at a time. I know it's not usual for books in ongoing series to be set at these kinds of intervals, but I definitely prefer it if they set closer together, both in Trek and in non-tie-in series.
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Old May 20 2014, 12:21 PM   #15
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The real issue to me isn't that Voyager is moving too slow. It's that the Alpha Quadrant series are moving too quickly. I would welcome a return to the slower pace that the original DS9 Relaunch had. Why rush and skip over months and years of story time.
That's my jam!

Yeah, all this years and years (in story) between books makes me feel like I'm missing out on too much.

I know TV isn't books and the same rules shouldn't necessarily apply, but can you imagine if a TV show skipped time to such an extent? Yes, nu-BSG did it, Alias did it, a few others, but in those cases the time-skip was always part of the story, done to make things more interesting, and its events were covered later on in flashback. Whereas with these books it's more like, "Eh, stuff happened, you don't need to know about it, it's fine, let's move on."

Personally I tend to think the original DS9-R (or DS9-R v1.0, or whatever we want to call it) went a touch too far in the other direction (18 novels and several short stories to cover only a year and a bit of story time). Surely there has to be a happy medium somewhere.

But then, hey, where would we be if all the books series worked exactly the same way? At least this way there's a bit of variety.

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