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Old May 15 2014, 08:15 PM   #1
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Would you get attachted to...

...your cloned baby (as quickly) seeing him/her at the age of 6 months for the first time as T'Pol&Trip did? Not being a father myself, I find that odd that you can really love a child just because it has your genes!? I rather believe that you need to build a relationship for that. I find the end of Terra Prime overly dramatic/emotional.
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Old May 15 2014, 08:43 PM   #2
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Re: Would you get attachted to...

I'm not a father, so I really don't have a credible perspective on this. But I guess we're all different, so our propensity for sentimentality and emotional attachment presumably varies significantly between each of us.

As for the episode, it's a TV show. It's a strong "emotional hook" for the audience - and certainly not rare in mainstream entertainment.
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Old May 15 2014, 09:21 PM   #3
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Re: Would you get attachted to...

I always liked that scene in the Space:1999 episode Alpha Child, where a new mother shrieks in terror seeing her newborn baby, suddenly a small boy. It seemed like a very realistic reaction...she wouldn't go near him.

And I'm not a parent, either, for what it's worth!
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Old May 15 2014, 10:16 PM   #4
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I always liked that scene in the Space:1999 episode Alpha Child, where a new mother shrieks in terror seeing her newborn baby, suddenly a small boy. It seemed like a very realistic reaction...she wouldn't go near him.

And I'm not a parent, either, for what it's worth!
I love that Space: 1999 70's trippiness, which many of the epiodes are swathed in! I recently picked up the S1 Blu-ray set for a snip.
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Old May 15 2014, 10:50 PM   #5
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I always liked that scene in the Space:1999 episode Alpha Child, where a new mother shrieks in terror seeing her newborn baby, suddenly a small boy. It seemed like a very realistic reaction...she wouldn't go near him.

And I'm not a parent, either, for what it's worth!
But Troi still loved her child in that TNG episode based on a Phase II script. So I guess it depends on the person. So long as the child isn't being used by aliens to kill everyone so they can steal their bodies to use as meat-puppets.
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Old May 15 2014, 10:52 PM   #6
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On tv people seem to magically bond with their magic cloned child. I think IRL it would take a considerable amount of processing for some people to get to that point.

I think the T/T baby bond was also about their feelings for each other. Here were their feelings, made manifest in a miracle infant (remember they didn't think at the time that Vulcans and humans could breed). Add in that the infant was in danger and the powerful feelings they had towards her make sense.

They had also met and said goodbyes of a sort to another child of theirs in E2.
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Old May 15 2014, 11:23 PM   #7
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Re: Would you get attachted to...

There's no doubt about it, "Terra Prime" was emotionally manipulative on many levels, but this is not at all unusual for Hollywood. With the exception of RAIDERS, most of the best Steven Spielberg movies are very manipulative. In some ways, you want to resent it, because you might find yourself suckered into caring, almost against your will. There is also a shorthand involved, in doing so, to get us through the movie faster. But it's charming to see T'Pol not having a terribly difficult time drawing upon her motherly instincts here. And Trip's (mistaken) suspicions of her having excluded him from the conception process, also touches on a lot of things in which it can act as a metaphor. When it's clear what the baby's fate will be and the lights are dim in sickbay, the doctor actually had me choked up, a little bit, there. Understand, I don't care for Phlox, but yeah ... a lot of emotional manipulation going on here. But, hey ... That's Entertainment! What we crave for, inside ....
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Old May 16 2014, 12:41 AM   #8
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So if you clone a child, you should automatically feel an emotional attachment. If you a clone is made of yourself, you vaporize it with a phaser without remorse?
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Old May 16 2014, 11:32 AM   #9
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OR you fall into an orgy of mutual self experimentation..

That's my plan anyway. When I meet my clone. And I'm pretty sure it's my clone's plan too 'cause, clones.
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Old May 17 2014, 01:19 AM   #10
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OR you fall into an orgy of mutual self experimentation..

That's my plan anyway. When I meet my clone. And I'm pretty sure it's my clone's plan too 'cause, clones.
Not my plan. Me and my clone would be each other's wing-man; go out "trolling" for women.
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Old May 19 2014, 06:21 AM   #11
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Re: Would you get attachted to...

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...your cloned baby (as quickly) seeing him/her at the age of 6 months for the first time as T'Pol&Trip did? Not being a father myself, I find that odd that you can really love a child just because it has your genes!? I rather believe that you need to build a relationship for that. I find the end of Terra Prime overly dramatic/emotional.
I don't find it that odd. If I discovered I had a child out there I didn't know about, I have no doubt I would rapidly come to love him or her. The baby would be a part of me. I'm sure I'd be conflicted about how the baby just suddenly came into my life, but I know I would quickly come to love him/her and grow very attached.
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Old May 19 2014, 03:39 PM   #12
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...your cloned baby (as quickly) seeing him/her at the age of 6 months for the first time as T'Pol&Trip did? Not being a father myself, I find that odd that you can really love a child just because it has your genes!? I rather believe that you need to build a relationship for that. I find the end of Terra Prime overly dramatic/emotional.
Oh for God's sake yes. I wouldn't hesitate for a second. You don't "build relationships" with children, they are just there. You love them unconditionally.

I LOVED this episode for many reasons, one being we got to see the "motherly" side of T'Pol.
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Old May 20 2014, 02:03 PM   #13
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...your cloned baby (as quickly) seeing him/her at the age of 6 months for the first time as T'Pol&Trip did? Not being a father myself, I find that odd that you can really love a child just because it has your genes!? I rather believe that you need to build a relationship for that. I find the end of Terra Prime overly dramatic/emotional.
Oh for God's sake yes. I wouldn't hesitate for a second. You don't "build relationships" with children, they are just there. You love them unconditionally.

I LOVED this episode for many reasons, one being we got to see the "motherly" side of T'Pol.
So if you meet your cloned child without knowing it's your DNA you'd still and immediately love it as your own child? Or is it just the "knowing" that it's yours that will make you love it immediately?
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Old May 20 2014, 02:14 PM   #14
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Plenty of men have found out they have a kid they never knew about. Some of them will start to bond and love that kid before they even meet them.

Of course it is if you know it's your clone, it's not magic DNA.
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Old May 20 2014, 02:22 PM   #15
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...your cloned baby (as quickly) seeing him/her at the age of 6 months for the first time as T'Pol&Trip did? Not being a father myself, I find that odd that you can really love a child just because it has your genes!? I rather believe that you need to build a relationship for that. I find the end of Terra Prime overly dramatic/emotional.
Oh for God's sake yes. I wouldn't hesitate for a second. You don't "build relationships" with children, they are just there. You love them unconditionally.

I LOVED this episode for many reasons, one being we got to see the "motherly" side of T'Pol.
So if you meet your cloned child without knowing it's your DNA you'd still and immediately love it as your own child? Or is it just the "knowing" that it's yours that will make you love it immediately?
How is that applicable here? How do you know it's cloned? Doesn't DNA reveal that?

It did in this episode. Remember the "I wasn't pregnant" thing between Trip and T'Pol?
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