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Old May 15 2014, 01:18 AM   #1
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The World of Star Trek

The World of Star Trek by David Gerrold is now available in the Kindle Store for $1.99!
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Old May 15 2014, 07:02 AM   #2
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Interesting. Somewhere among my stuff I have a first edition I bought when I was eight years old. I'm now 48, so that tells you how long this book has been around.
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Old May 15 2014, 04:49 PM   #3
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I think the version available is the 1984 update. Though I think the Kindle version is missing the pictures that are in the print version.
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Old May 16 2014, 12:51 AM   #4
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Gerrold's two books, The World of Star Trek and The Trouble with Tribbles, are both worth reading. He was a founding member of the Cult of Roddenberry and he bought into some of Gene's stories that we now know are false, and Gerrold hated Lost in Space, but apart from that he comes across as an okay guy.
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Old May 16 2014, 01:19 AM   #5
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Even though the later version covers the movies, it drops a LOT of good info that was in the original version, and so I still find that one preferable. I really DO like Gerrold's observation in the later version about SFS, that the 'feel' of the film is such that maybe Starfleet is never going to let this crew get together or go into space again. It's just one more reason I wish they'd stayed renegade in the BoP.
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Old May 16 2014, 07:42 AM   #6
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It's just one more reason I wish they'd stayed renegade in the BoP.

You mean like The A Team? "If you have a problem and you can find them..."
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Old May 16 2014, 11:59 PM   #7
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It's just one more reason I wish they'd stayed renegade in the BoP.

You mean like The A Team? "If you have a problem and you can find them..."
Kind of. After SFS I came up with a whole storyline for a sequel that would not only keep them in the BoP, but also get them a free pass in Federation and Romulan space for services rendered. If you decide these movies are about the characters and not about Starfleet, it makes sense to jettison all the expensive baggage of portraying San Francisco and rebuilding the mushroom dock interior another time and instead put that money into some strange new worlds or maybe a few really bizarre character creations.

The whole privateer aspect always has appealed to me, in or out of TREK. When you make your calls while not answering to chain-of-command, you can't claim duty overrides ethics or any of that other crap, you just have to own up to your decisions. And of course Whedon eventually happened onto this notion (although I hate his lack of science) and gave us the wonderful fantastic I-probably-need-to-rewatch-the-series-for-the-umpteenth-time FIREFLY.
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Old May 17 2014, 01:18 AM   #8
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Firefly had superb characters, dialog, and FX. Good stories, costumes, and sets. I love it. But the Star Trek movies did not have Joss Whedon.

I'm afraid if they had gone with your renegade scenario, the writers and production designers allocated to Star Trek movies would have delivered something closer in feel to Buck Rogers in the 25th Century than Firefly.
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Old May 17 2014, 04:00 AM   #9
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I think the version available is the 1984 update. Though I think the Kindle version is missing the pictures that are in the print version.
Apple iBooks version is $1.99 as well. Description indicates 353 pages (print length) and "more than 50 pages of photos ... and stills from all three movies." Don't know if they're actually included in the download version.

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Even though the later version covers the movies, it drops a LOT of good info that was in the original version, and so I still find that one preferable.
How much of the original text was edited out of the later version?

The Trouble With Tribbles is also $1.99, and Boarding the Enterprise is $4.99. Don't know anything about the latter, any good?
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Old May 17 2014, 08:04 AM   #10
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My iBooks copy doesn't contain any of the photos, unfortunately.
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Old May 17 2014, 01:06 PM   #11
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My iBooks copy doesn't contain any of the photos, unfortunately.
I didn't really read the Kindle description, my guess was based on the file size.
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Old May 18 2014, 11:51 PM   #12
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It's hard to believe the same man wrote the book about the making of "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "The World of Star Trek." The former is a delight, a well-written, informative and highly enjoyable account of how an average college student came to script one of the series' most beloved episodes. By contrast, "World" comes across as one of the WORST Trek non-fiction books ever written, a petty and overweening critique of the series full of factual errors (including getting the plot details of episodes wrong). It might very well be titled "Every Star Trek episode sucks except the ones done by me and my buddy Harlan Ellison."
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Old May 19 2014, 08:25 AM   #13
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It's hard to believe the same man wrote the book about the making of "The Trouble With Tribbles" and "The World of Star Trek." The former is a delight, a well-written, informative and highly enjoyable account of how an average college student came to script one of the series' most beloved episodes. By contrast, "World" comes across as one of the WORST Trek non-fiction books ever written, a petty and overweening critique of the series full of factual errors (including getting the plot details of episodes wrong). It might very well be titled "Every Star Trek episode sucks except the ones done by me and my buddy Harlan Ellison."

You know, it's been over 35 years since I read these books, but that rings a bell. TTwT is still a nice look behind the scenes, as is Joan Winston's chapter in Star Trek Lives (1975), where she visits the set of "The Turnabout Intruder."
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Old November 9 2014, 12:22 PM   #14
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By contrast, "World" comes across as one of the WORST Trek non-fiction books ever written, a petty and overweening critique of the series full of factual errors (including getting the plot details of episodes wrong). It might very well be titled "Every Star Trek episode sucks except the ones done by me and my buddy Harlan Ellison."
Ahhhh, thank you! Thought I was going nuts!
I just got it on my Kindle (for $2.51, marked down from $4.99), and was really loving the apparent celebration of the series in the introduction.
Then Chapter One, "Gene Roddenberry's Dream", starts off with a rundown on the format and an in-depth analysis of the main characters... and then he mentions the "lack of seat belts" issue, and the whole thing devolves into an excrutiatingly-detailed deconstruction of the numerous failings of all involved in the production.

He just rips into the whole design of the Enterprise: From the size of the corridors and crew quarters ("too roomy") to the reliance on the turbo lifts, etc.
There's even a two-page description of the entire supply chain that allows a 747 to fly from L.A. to New York! I just kept saying, out loud, "What's your point, man?!"

He makes several valid points, but I don't think any of them could've been implemented in 1966 on the budget they had, and frankly, nobody had time to put as much thought into it that Mr. Gerrold clearly has in the decades after the series went out of production!
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It's just one more reason I wish they'd stayed renegade in the BoP.

You mean like The A Team? "If you have a problem and you can find them..."
Kind of. After SFS I came up with a whole storyline for a sequel that would not only keep them in the BoP, but also get them a free pass in Federation and Romulan space for services rendered. If you decide these movies are about the characters and not about Starfleet, it makes sense to jettison all the expensive baggage of portraying San Francisco and rebuilding the mushroom dock interior another time and instead put that money into some strange new worlds or maybe a few really bizarre character creations.

The whole privateer aspect always has appealed to me, in or out of TREK. When you make your calls while not answering to chain-of-command, you can't claim duty overrides ethics or any of that other crap, you just have to own up to your decisions. And of course Whedon eventually happened onto this notion (although I hate his lack of science) and gave us the wonderful fantastic I-probably-need-to-rewatch-the-series-for-the-umpteenth-time FIREFLY.
Check out Blakes7 for renegades on the run.

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He just rips into the whole design of the Enterprise: From the size of the corridors and crew quarters ("too roomy") to the reliance on the turbo lifts, etc.
Crew quarters too roomy - must have hated TNG/VOY/ENT then.
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