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Old May 18 2014, 02:26 AM   #31
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

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They failed again and again because they were leftists, and socialism is an abject disaster. Now they're learning to make a profit, much like the Chinese. That will eventually give them the financial means to do all the things they couldn't do before.

No.
Care to expand on that?
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Old May 18 2014, 02:51 AM   #32
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There's no merit in discussing with Dennis. As long as you're in agreement with him it's fine, but discussions with diverting opinions are absolutely pointless with him.

gturner might be wrong, and you might disagree with his posts, or even find them laughable, but he is still trying to make his point.

Dennis, as soon as he runs out of arguments, or gets bored, just declares himself the king of the discussion by posting his absolute "No.", as in "You're wrong and/or stupid, and I don't even care to explain why." That makes him feel better about himself, I guess, as he thinks this behaviour somehow elevates him above the average internet nerd he always speaks so fond of. Discussing with people he strongly disagrees with is just below him. But at the end of the day, he simply loses the argument every time he does it.

He could say nothing at all, but instead he uses the "No." in an attempt to get the last word, no matter how pointless it is. You could replace it with "Balls." or a fart noise, and it would have the same childish effect.

He also occasionally uses the condescending "kid", just to establish a hierarchy in the discussion where he's the know-it-all and you're the child that can learn from his wisdom.

No kidding.

Last thing I'm ever going to say about this specific matter.

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Old May 18 2014, 03:08 AM   #33
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

Let's keep this on-topic and avoid the sniping, m'kay?
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Old May 18 2014, 08:37 AM   #34
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I figure SpaceX will have the issue resolved by 2020.
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Old May 18 2014, 10:39 AM   #35
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^ Dr. Cargraves will beat them to it, flying past ISS with the rocket ship Galileo on his way to the Moon to clean out that Nazi base.
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Old May 18 2014, 11:33 AM   #36
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God, "Galileo" was an awful juvenile. No doubt Heinlein knew what he was doing, though.
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Old May 20 2014, 06:50 PM   #37
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No.

Sorry that you're disappointed by the inability of the GOP to gin up a real scandal or any substantial misconduct to build their campaigns on. I'm sure it seemed like an easy idea from the other side, given how consumed the Nixon, Reagan and Dubya administrations were by such things.
No one is to blame in this. Politicians on both sides have always supported the ISS for the jobs aspect. The fact of the matter is the downturn of the economy AND the so-called "War on Terrorism" (including the Iraq and Afghanistan ventures), took the focus away from the ISS and other related projects. And even though I would like to criticize Pres. Obama for adding additional expenditures (i.e. "Obamacare"), he is simply doing what every other politician is doing: he's prioritizing what the constituents want. And if 51 percent of the electorate wants government assistance at this time, then guess which budgets are going to be cut in favor of a larger welfare budget? Yeah, that.

As for the Russian matter: everyone seems to forget that Putin has his own agenda, irregardless of what American politicians want. He hated the fact that the Soviet Union collapsed, and that the Russian sphere of influence has lessened. And based upon what I've been reading about "Fearless Leader", Putin is dead set on screwing with the United States in order to hide the fact that the Russian economy is in the toilet. So, what do you do in order play to your base? Go nationalistic. Besides, at the very least, what's going on in Eastern Europe should serve as a wake-up call to all politicians on the importance of not being so interlocked with other nations to such a degree that the US can't maintain its own objectives free of foreign influence.

Ergo, both the Bush and Obama Administrations are to blame for this, IMO.
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Old May 20 2014, 09:27 PM   #38
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That was insignificant compared to what else he said, which is that ULA is banned from using the RD-180, which powers the Atlas-5, from launching US military satellites. It is presumed this also means that we'll no longer get any RD-180s. Perhaps the Administration shouldn't have targeted his personal finances without considering the consequences.
I'd wager that the DoD has some classified backup plan to launch their satellites we are un-aware of.

Regarding the ISS - if Putin is still in power in 2020 and still not wanting to play ball with the ISS - at least for US astronauts we're fucked. However, I'd imagine he would not want to alienate the rest of our European partners involved in the project as well?

Aside from the space ramifications regarding these types of decisions - there are a lot new Russian billionaires I'd imagine who aren't happy with Putin's recent political decisions that may affect their personal wealth since how they play with the West has been affected as well.

In short, despite the fact that Putin wants to believe that it's 1974 and he can make unilateral decisions for Russia - old Soviet era sytle - I'm betting he has less power than we are led to believe and cannot make decisions in a vacuum nor without the support of his weatlhy friends.
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Old May 21 2014, 07:10 AM   #39
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Good Grief, We have a two year supply of RD-180's, two alternative heavy launchers and several foreign launchers available. There is nothing to freak out about. As for the ISS, de-orbit the piece of junk and blame the Russians. The money saved can be used to develop another heavy launch vehicle.
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Old May 21 2014, 10:20 AM   #40
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Better yet, get SpaceX to send up a few boosters to transpose the station's orbit closer to the equator where it will be more useful as a "garage" for assembling deep space ships. The current highly inclined orbit was set up to make things easier for the Russians. Imagine them not finding the camper where they left it. (How do you say "What the?" in Russian?)
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No.

Sorry that you're disappointed by the inability of the GOP to gin up a real scandal or any substantial misconduct to build their campaigns on. I'm sure it seemed like an easy idea from the other side, given how consumed the Nixon, Reagan and Dubya administrations were by such things.
No one is to blame in this. Politicians on both sides have always supported the ISS for the jobs aspect. The fact of the matter is the downturn of the economy AND the so-called "War on Terrorism" (including the Iraq and Afghanistan ventures), took the focus away from the ISS and other related projects. And even though I would like to criticize Pres. Obama for adding additional expenditures (i.e. "Obamacare"), he is simply doing what every other politician is doing: he's prioritizing what the constituents want. And if 51 percent of the electorate wants government assistance at this time, then guess which budgets are going to be cut in favor of a larger welfare budget? Yeah, that.
We never took our focus away from space because our focus was never on space to begin with. NASA's budget in real (inflation-adjusted) dollars has remained more or less steady since the mid-'70s. Its budget was not slashed to make way for welfare spending--that is quite simply a lie.

While I do think our space exploration budget should be higher, I don't think the focus should be on manned travel. NASA gets far more scientific bang for the buck with unmanned probes. It's very expensive to protect our fragile sacks of meat when we go rocketing around.
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Old May 24 2014, 01:14 AM   #42
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

And now Elon Musk tells the Russians to shove it...

http://www.space.com/25978-spacex-dr...le-design.html

Cover drops on May 29. Actual flight design hardware of crew Dragon, not a mockup. ......aims to get at least one private American astronaut taxi up and running by 2017

Here's hoping it works sooner rather than later..
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Old May 24 2014, 01:48 AM   #43
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THE CRADLE OF SATURN has an opening scene where a private company shows up the Air Force by literally flying circles around the government's new cruiser with a nuclear thermal rocket. It will be a long time coming, but one thing private enterprisers might have in mind is testing advanced engine designs once safely out of Earthly jurisdiction, where no one can claim that endangered salamanders or turtles are being threatened.
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Old May 24 2014, 03:31 AM   #44
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And now Elon Musk tells the Russians to shove it...

http://www.space.com/25978-spacex-dr...le-design.html

Cover drops on May 29. Actual flight design hardware of crew Dragon, not a mockup. ......aims to get at least one private American astronaut taxi up and running by 2017
Here's hoping it works sooner rather than later..
Yeah, Elon tweeted that a couple weeks ago.
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And now Elon Musk tells the Russians to shove it...

http://www.space.com/25978-spacex-dr...le-design.html

Cover drops on May 29. Actual flight design hardware of crew Dragon, not a mockup. ......aims to get at least one private American astronaut taxi up and running by 2017

Here's hoping it works sooner rather than later..
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