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Old May 15 2014, 07:35 PM   #16
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020 and that this would effectively exclude the United States from using the orbiting laboratory.
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Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

I guess this is what we get for being too cheap to maintain our manned space program.
Three options:
- all of a sudden there's money for a space shuttle replacement
- they dust the old space shuttle off
- US manned space program ends for quite some time

Or the 4th - unlikely - option, Putin gets removed at some point and his successor stops being an asshole idiot.
5. They take the wraps off of this, and we discover we didn't absolutely need the Russians the whole time anyway?
Well, the Orion is what I consider a space shuttle replacement. Changing the dependency from Russia to China isn't a long term solution either.
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Old May 15 2014, 07:39 PM   #17
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

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Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said Tuesday his country doesn't intend to use the International Space Station past the year 2020 and that this would effectively exclude the United States from using the orbiting laboratory.
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Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

I guess this is what we get for being too cheap to maintain our manned space program.
Three options:
- all of a sudden there's money for a space shuttle replacement
- they dust the old space shuttle off
- US manned space program ends for quite some time

Or the 4th - unlikely - option, Putin gets removed at some point and his successor stops being an asshole idiot.
5. They take the wraps off of this, and we discover we didn't absolutely need the Russians the whole time anyway?
The cargo version of Orion has visited the ISS enough times I suspect the crew version is quite a bit closer to being usable than some crew module to fit in the X-37. There's also the issue of the booster to get the X-37 into orbit.
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Old May 15 2014, 07:48 PM   #18
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

The X37 is too small to fit crew in. That article on Jalopnik is terribly wrong on many levels.
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Old May 15 2014, 08:09 PM   #19
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The X37 is too small to fit crew in. That article on Jalopnik is terribly wrong on many levels.
Well, okay. But still, isn't the rule of thumb for classified equipment in the military usually that if the public is allowed to know about it, it's because they already have something better? I wonder what other irons they have in that fire...
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Old May 15 2014, 11:07 PM   #20
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

The proposal for a much larger, crewed version of the X-37 still requires an Atlas V to launch it, and the Atlas uses Russian engines, so we're back to the diplomatic problem.

Also, Orion has never flown. It's the Dragon that goes up to the ISS.
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Old May 16 2014, 01:39 AM   #21
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

SpaceX is planning it's first manned test quite soon..within 3 years..


http://www.spacex.com/dragon
There may be delays, but it appears that they are still
on track to launch the first fully US manned spacecraft sooner rather than later..
so we just might be able to tell the Sov--I mean the Russians, to take their toys and go home..
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Old May 16 2014, 02:06 AM   #22
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

Getting to the station by 2020 is not the problem. Keeping it functioning after the Russians take their very essential "toys" is.
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Old May 16 2014, 05:00 AM   #23
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

But in a few months when the last American leaves, we'll still need to maintain the station, which can't be done without a fairly high workload from personnel on board, who will be Russian (and any other country we've pissed off recently, which is most of them). So to maintain our very expensive piece of infrastructure, we'll have to keep sending up resupply flights - to the Russians who booted us.

As was said about Syria, which some foreign journalists described as the worst diplomatic performance in modern history (we scored an unforced own goal, and then the NYT published Putin's op-ed which was likened to Putin doing donuts on Obama's lawn), Putin is playing chess and we're playing hopscotch.
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Old May 16 2014, 09:40 AM   #24
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

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Putin is playing chess and we're playing hopscotch.
Or golf, fiddling while Rome burns.
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Old May 17 2014, 02:10 AM   #25
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Re: Deputy PM says Russia aims to end ISS participation in 2020

No.

The Soviets were going to bury us half a century ago, and in the 1980s they were ten feet tall and taking no shit from anyone.

So those on the Right told us, over and over. What has always been inconvenient for the Right and unfathomable to the paranoid and fearful is that despite repeated attempts to assert their influence and power the modern history of Russia, both on the world political stage and economically, has been failure upon failure upon failure.

That is not changing now. The Russians frighten old fools and children who don't know better yet.

But - but - They're Comin' Right At Us!

...again.
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Old May 17 2014, 02:24 AM   #26
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They failed again and again because they were leftists, and socialism is an abject disaster. Now they're learning to make a profit, much like the Chinese. That will eventually give them the financial means to do all the things they couldn't do before.
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Old May 17 2014, 04:34 AM   #27
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They failed again and again because they were leftists, and socialism is an abject disaster. Now they're learning to make a profit, much like the Chinese. That will eventually give them the financial means to do all the things they couldn't do before.
So a Totalitarian Capitalistic states are your vision of good governance?
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Old May 17 2014, 11:41 AM   #28
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The US is still renting the Russian Stargate. That ISS stuff is just cover.
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Old May 17 2014, 03:55 PM   #29
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So a Totalitarian Capitalistic states are your vision of good governance?
Totalitarian and capitalistic would be fascism, a next door neighbor of socialism, not the other end of the spectrum.

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Old May 18 2014, 02:00 AM   #30
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They failed again and again because they were leftists, and socialism is an abject disaster. Now they're learning to make a profit, much like the Chinese. That will eventually give them the financial means to do all the things they couldn't do before.

No.
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