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Old May 13 2014, 01:01 AM   #16
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^Why would it have been T'Pau, though? T'Pau wasn't a high priestess, she was a matriarch in Spock's clan and, judging from the dialogue, a prominent figure in Vulcan politics. T'Lar was more of a spiritual leader or mystic. You wouldn't expect Bill Clinton to perform an exorcism.
But that was the point of her character, IIRC. Kirk and McCoy didn't expect T'Pau to officiate at the Pon Farr, either, but she did.
They didn't expect her because of her political importance. Being important is not the same thing as being qualified to perform an extremely advanced telepathic procedure.
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Old May 13 2014, 07:16 AM   #17
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Not a character from the original show, but I definitely think TUC would have been more shocking if Valeris had actually been Saavik.
Wow, where did you come up with that idea?
I don't think RoJoHen came up with it... it was one of the early ideas for TUC. There's some write-up about it at Memory Alpha here. (Although I'm really glad they didn't go with that Kirk-Saavik baby idea. )
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Old May 13 2014, 08:06 AM   #18
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^Why would it have been T'Pau, though? T'Pau wasn't a high priestess, she was a matriarch in Spock's clan and, judging from the dialogue, a prominent figure in Vulcan politics. T'Lar was more of a spiritual leader or mystic. You wouldn't expect Bill Clinton to perform an exorcism.


I would pay Large Latinum to watch Bill Clinton perform an exorcism...

I think it would have been cool for them to try to get Lloyd back...maybe he would say ghobe', but one never knows...
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Old May 13 2014, 05:09 PM   #19
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I always thought that McCoy should have been trying to get to Genesis by hiring Mudd to take him there instead of the stupid big-eared alien.

His only purpose was to talk backwards ala' Yoda.


"Genesis allowed in NOT!"

Get it? hardy har har.
That scene always cracks me up, but would've also been great to have Roger back in the role of Mudd.
It would have been a poignant sendoff for both character and actor as well, as he died later that year.
Actually Carmel died in 1986, but he had only been doing voice-over work since 1982. TSFS shot in late 1983.

I don't know if there was a reason he didn't do any on-screen work after 1982---perhaps his weight got out of control or other health matters.

Even if he couldn't have done onscreen work it might have been a laugh if just as McCoy sits down with the alien his communicator beeps and Harry's voice comes on and says,

"Dr. McCoy do you still need to hire a ship?" and McCoy replies

"Too late Mudd, I've found another pilot."

It's funny I can't stand Mudd's Women OR I, Mudd, but I love Harry/Carmel.

Wish he had gotten a send off as he was the ONLY non Starfleet recurring character in live action TOS.
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Old May 13 2014, 05:36 PM   #20
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You wouldn't expect Bill Clinton to perform an exorcism.
Damn!

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I always thought that McCoy should have been trying to get to Genesis by hiring Mudd to take him there instead of the stupid big-eared alien.
McCoy used to trust more a big-eared alien than Mudd. :P
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Not to mention that it would've gotten repetitive if too many of the movies were built around characters that had past baggage with the leads based on events from TOS. If they'd brought back Kor or Koloth instead of using Kruge, that would've been two movies in a row about Kirk fighting someone who had an old grudge against him. Just as well they didn't, then.
I also supposed it would too hermetic with people not so familiar with TOS. TWOK was about aging Kirk and co., so it's normal to bring an old adversary, but after that it would have been "Nah, forget that new Star Trek movie, it's again with a villain from an episode I didn't see". Rand or Kyle presence was enough to please the fans without destabilizing the others.

At least Koloth and Kor returned in the first DC comics serie.
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Old May 14 2014, 02:55 AM   #21
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Most of the good characters I'm thinking of didn't survive their TOS appearances (Roc, Romulan Balance of Terror Commander)

Agree with Female Romulan Commander from The Enterprise Incident
By Roc, do you mean the What are Little Girls Made of android, or something I'm forgetting? If the former, then a bit of plot-pointing could have explained it, though I think the actor was already departed by then.
Yes. I just rewatched that ep the other day and I felt there was room for more character development there.
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Old May 14 2014, 04:47 AM   #22
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The android in "Little Girls" was Ruk.
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Old May 15 2014, 12:05 AM   #23
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That scene always cracks me up, but would've also been great to have Roger back in the role of Mudd.
It would have been a poignant sendoff for both character and actor as well, as he died later that year.
Actually Carmel died in 1986, but he had only been doing voice-over work since 1982. TSFS shot in late 1983.

I don't know if there was a reason he didn't do any on-screen work after 1982---perhaps his weight got out of control or other health matters.

Even if he couldn't have done onscreen work it might have been a laugh if just as McCoy sits down with the alien his communicator beeps and Harry's voice comes on and says,

"Dr. McCoy do you still need to hire a ship?" and McCoy replies

"Too late Mudd, I've found another pilot."

It's funny I can't stand Mudd's Women OR I, Mudd, but I love Harry/Carmel.

Wish he had gotten a send off as he was the ONLY non Starfleet recurring character in live action TOS.
You are correct, sir, I was thinking about the one time I met him at a con. You may be right about weight/health issues. He was such a large man, who carried it well, though he had obviously gained some in the intervening years.

My comment about it being a poignant sendoff stands, though.
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Old May 16 2014, 12:22 AM   #24
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I wish they could've given Lt. Leslie a cameo like they did with Lt. Kyle in TWoK.
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Old May 26 2014, 01:34 AM   #25
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The android in "Little Girls" was Ruk.
That's why I was asking, seemed the closest match!

On the whole, I'd sooner leave Ruk alone... far more interesting as the last remnant of some lost alien race, amoral in a sense, but just because 'our' current day concerns are of no interest to him, than turn him into a major character in a major movie where he'd have to be either villain or ally.
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Old May 26 2014, 05:14 PM   #26
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In TWOK, there was (at least initially) some thought of hiring Madlyn Rhue to play Marla McGivers again, but her health problems would have made appearing in the movie difficult to impossible.

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You wouldn't expect Bill Clinton to perform an exorcism.
I would pay Large Latinum to watch Bill Clinton perform an exorcism...
If the end result was his wife in the oval office? I think he'd do it.

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Old May 26 2014, 07:44 PM   #27
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In re: bringing back Madlyn Rhue to reprise Marla McGivers;

They called her and offered her the role. She turned it down, citing her health problems as the reason why. At that time, she was embarrassed at how big an impact they had on her mobility, and didn't work as an actress for a long time, until she finally decided to accept it, and move on to taking the roles she could play with her disability. Rumor has it they offered to write Marla's death scene so she wouldn't have to move around, but she still said no.
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Old May 26 2014, 07:56 PM   #28
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I always thought that McCoy should have been trying to get to Genesis by hiring Mudd to take him there instead of the stupid big-eared alien.

His only purpose was to talk backwards ala' Yoda.


"Genesis allowed in NOT!"

Get it? hardy har har.
The actor Nimoy hired was terrific (maybe the only thing I like about his 'direction' for SFS), and works better for me than Mudd would have.

I always ALWAYS thought it should have been Kor in TFF. Even the name suggests it, plus you'd figure the Shat would still be high on hiring Canadians.

I've often wondered if that was the idea of the original writers on TUC,where they wanted Kirk & McCoy to run into various characters in prison that they knew from the series.
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Old May 26 2014, 08:00 PM   #29
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Not a character from the original show, but I definitely think TUC would have been more shocking if Valeris had actually been Saavik.
Wow, where did you come up with that idea?
I don't think RoJoHen came up with it... it was one of the early ideas for TUC. There's some write-up about it at Memory Alpha here. (Although I'm really glad they didn't go with that Kirk-Saavik baby idea. )
The Kirk Saavik baby idea is rough, but is it any worse than the Spock Saavik one that Bennett tried to get in and Nimoy aborted?
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The android in "Little Girls" was Ruk.
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