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Old May 5 2014, 05:46 AM   #16
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Re: What it means to be a trekkie

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-Why is there still a stigma around the star trek fandom when their fandom is so large and popular today?
The only place I really notice a "stigma around the Star Trek fandom" is a) among the kinds of people who are disdainful of geeks generally (who are however much fewer in number today than they were twenty years ago), and b) among Trekkies. I don't really know what's up with b), as we seem to live in an age where there's less excuse than ever to be embarrassed about being a geek, but it's there and it's noticeable.

-How does the mainstream fuel the stigma to the trekkie fire?
Sorry, I cannot parse this question as written.

-How do trekkies see themselves in contrast to how everyone else does?
I don't see things in terms of "Trekkies" and "everyone else" so I don't know how to answer this.
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Old May 5 2014, 05:55 AM   #17
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I've worked in the tech industry for 30 years, and more than half of the engineers and technicians that I have worked with in that period were either Trek fans, Star Wars fans, or just SF fans in general. TNG was very popular in this group when it first aired, as in discussions taking place the next day after a new episode aired locally.
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Old May 5 2014, 08:05 AM   #18
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It's odd. I hear a lot about the "stigma," and I've heard the jokes on TV, but I can't say I've ever experienced it personally. Maybe this is an issue if you're still in high school and trying to fit in, but, in the adult world, I honestly can't remember anyone ever giving me a hard time about being a Trekkie. Not my friends, not my family, not my neighbors . . . .

And I'm hardly secretive about it.
...my home has a certain ST look about it...if you look, you will find things...I am not ashamed, either...but I have experienced the eye rolls and the. "...you gotta be kidding me..."

...there does not seem to be a gender or age or geography to it...but, interestingly enough, if I were to stereotype the unwashed
-er...sorry...um, ....those that do not like Star Trek (and cannot see the light and feel the rapture...oo, damn keyboard...what the hell) if I were to do that! I would say the majority of the Rollers of Eyes lack that spark of child and wonder and imagination...I am sure they have other fine, valuable qualities...seriously...

...I do not mean those that like SW over ST, or Dr. Who forever or one genre over another...I mean those that do not care for the whole thing...those who are more serious, less willing to suspend the disbelief...get into the fiction cum reality of it...starting to babble now, but I hope I have managed to explain without offending...

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Old May 5 2014, 08:12 AM   #19
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...there was also a great episode of West Wing with a woman who came to work with a com badge...worth checking out for really good thoughts and words addressing your post...

My Personal thoughts:

...it is more of a "...what does it NOT mean to be a Trekkie..."

...not a lot of flaunting it and "living it" 24-7 (except at Conventions!)
...sharing, like we do here, is for like-minded and like-times...not anyone, every time
...knowledge is good...details and facts and connections are good, but there is more
...recognizing how deeply culturally ingrained Star Trek is can be an amazing thing
...knowing how far and wide the ST world and terminology and dialogue lines and
names and places and wish for it all to be real has gone...Trekkie, indeed...

...hope this helps...welcome to the Forum...it is a wild ride!...
well said
Thank You kindly...I find it is MUCH easier to feel and to know than to write about...maybe that is also its essence...
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Old May 5 2014, 08:31 AM   #20
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I've worked in the tech industry for 30 years, and more than half of the engineers and technicians that I have worked with in that period were either Trek fans, Star Wars fans, or just SF fans in general. TNG was very popular in this group when it first aired, as in discussions taking place the next day after a new episode aired locally.
...so there it is...and I would bet dollars to Denevian Mead those conversations treated the whole thing like it was "real", or at least referred to/compared to what was going on in the episodes to what was possible (then) and what was to come...wonder...value...imagination...current vs. future...and I will bet the conversations also centered over the years about the Trek tech that came true or is becoming closer to possible...
THIS is the thing! and every other story like it...

...little boys using basement showers as their "Transporters", and then going on to be physicists working on particles and states of matter that might, just might make Transporter technology possible some day...

...little girls playing "Sickbay", actually reciting some of the lines, growing up to do amazing medical and psychological work at Johns and Mayo and the like...

...boys and girls playing Enterprise, using the huge (then) monkey bars as the ship, and parsing off sections using nothing more than their imagination growing up to be Mathematicians and Chaos Theoreticians and Weapons experts and Chemists and and and and...

...all of us, ALL of us are the Voyages of the Star Ship Enterprise...and we are Boldly Going...successes and failures...faults and foibles... Engage...
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Old May 5 2014, 09:27 AM   #21
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality: All of their lovin' ... all of their huggin' ... and all of their kisses, too. And when I meet The Right One and she finds my Secret Stash of STAR TREK, I'll ...

I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
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Old May 5 2014, 03:54 PM   #22
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-Why is there still a stigma around the star trek fandom when their fandom is so large and popular today?
Not sure that there is anymore. Maybe back when the show was this “little cult thing” and fans were “Star Trek nuts” but these days, with ComicCon being the cultural and show business juggernaut it is, even people who dress up in costumes (Cosplayers) aren’t looked upon in the same way anymore. However, I’ve been to enough cons to see that there are people to conform to that stereotype. However, there are also a lot MORE people who don’t. But stereotypes don’t need vast numbers to exist, just attention. Just like not all sports fans paint themselves up, get stupidly drunk and urinate beer on each other.

How does the mainstream fuel the stigma to the trekkie fire?
Again, not so much these days. The Star Trek phenomena is pretty well respected. The only time I heard much in the negative was when a movie came out to lukewarm reviews with a “strictly for the Trekkies” label on it. actually, once the series took off in the 70's, every SF TV show was compared to Star Trek. Every. Single. One. So it's hard to praise a series on one hand yet condemn its fans.


How do trekkies see themselves in contrast to how everyone else does?
I can only speak for myself, but meh, I see myself as a normal guy with a wife (who also loves Trek and sci-fi stuff), kid, grandkid, mortgage and a love of Star Trek. When I was in school, fine, kids picked on it. But kids pick on everything, that’s why it sucks being one. As an adult, it was refreshing to find out that more people liked the series than they admitted when younger. I have a picture of Kirk and Spock hanging in my office at work and it’s a real conversation starter. Come to my house and you’ll see Trek-a-brac adorning the walls. People usually say “hey cool.” Or nothing at all. I’m 46. Nobody’s gonna taunt me at this stage of the game. It’s not like I live next to Biff Tannen.

My family knows of my love of the series. Most of them share it, those that don’t just have different taste. I don’t like Duck Dynasty, but my brother in law and I still get along.

Oh and people who say "not Trekkie - TREKKER" take themselves to effing seriously. Actually, you just sound like a bigger geek.
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Old May 6 2014, 03:02 PM   #23
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Re: What it means to be a trekkie

2takesfrakes wrote: View Post
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality: All of their lovin' ... all of their huggin' ... and all of their kisses, too. And when I meet The Right One and she finds my Secret Stash of STAR TREK, I'll ...

I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
If I may offer my two cents on this: A person (man or woman) "of quality" will be open-minded enough to not ridicule Star Trek or your interest in it as childish or something inept for an adult. They will instead be curious as to why youre interested and invest your time and energy in it.
So stand by what you love

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Old May 7 2014, 02:43 PM   #24
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I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do...
Personally, that's my perfect girl.
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Old May 7 2014, 03:14 PM   #25
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality: All of their lovin' ... all of their huggin' ... and all of their kisses, too. And when I meet The Right One and she finds my Secret Stash of STAR TREK, I'll ...

I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
You may have just insulted the majority of the women on this site bro. Your "women of quality" and the women who attend con's need not necessarily be mutually exclusive. Just saying.
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Old May 7 2014, 03:18 PM   #26
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality: All of their lovin' ... all of their huggin' ... and all of their kisses, too. And when I meet The Right One and she finds my Secret Stash of STAR TREK, I'll ...

I'll just have to cross that bridge when I come to it.
If I may offer my two cents on this: A person (man or woman) "of quality" will be open-minded enough to not ridicule Star Trek or your interest in it as childish or something inept for an adult. They will instead be curious as to why youre interested and invest your time and energy in it.
So stand by what you love

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That sounds like my girlfriend! You've just pointed out another way she is definitely a "woman of quality", not that I didn't already know that, but thanks for the reminder. I guess not everyone is as lucky in that way.
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Old May 8 2014, 03:42 AM   #27
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality:
And there you have it, a bunch of garbage stigma right here.
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I've been to conventions and there are plenty of 'normal' people there. Normal looking and normal acting.
Plenty of people dressed up but you talk to these guys and they're mostly pretty interesting.
And there are people who probably take it too seriously but my husband used to be in the fan club for a football team. They had the same percentage of extremists.
But its not cool to make fun of football fans.
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Old May 8 2014, 04:09 AM   #29
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So whatja gonna do when you find the right one? Are you going to "come out of the closet" and fess up to being a Trekkie, or are you going to leave your beloved collection in the closet? Maybe the solution to your "embarrassment" problems would be to meet that special someone at a Star Trek con!
I'm not going to find my Guinevere at no STAR TREK convention! I want a woman I can be eXcited by. Big glasses, dirndl skirts and all that just won't do. I insist upon having Women of Quality:
And there you have it, a bunch of garbage stigma right here.
Yep and disgusting.
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Old May 8 2014, 05:54 AM   #30
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wow you guys are great im in the process of writing this paper ill keep you guys updated with how that turns out. I feel you guys are a more accepting fandom than most. I was almost afraid to post in here thinking id offend someone... but i love you guys!
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