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Old May 5 2014, 06:53 PM   #16
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Re: Game of Thrones 4.5 - "First of His Name" - Rate and discuss

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Fair show. A little slow at times. I think it's fascinating that the writers are attempting to make Cersi and Jamie likeable one week and evil individuals the next. Very good writing and more real life then most tv shows or even films can create.

It was Cersi's turn this episode with the moving scene about how she misses her daughter.

Did I get the dialogue correct that Dany is putting her conquest of Kingslanding on hold until she can clean up her own house?
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Old May 5 2014, 06:59 PM   #17
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Did I get the dialogue correct that Dany is putting her conquest of Kingslanding on hold until she can clean up her own house?
Sounds like it. Gods damn it.
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Old May 5 2014, 08:07 PM   #18
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I think it's fascinating that the writers are attempting to make Cersi and Jamie likeable one week and evil individuals the next. Very good writing and more real life then most tv shows or even films can create.

It was Cersi's turn this episode with the moving scene about how she misses her daughter.
I dunno, I still don't trust her. I think she's one of those people that if she wants something, that's the only time she's nice to people. I feel like she's scheming.
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Old May 5 2014, 08:53 PM   #19
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She's totally scheming. She wants Tyrion's head on a stick and tried to manipulate 2 of the 3 judges presiding over his trial.

Such a sexy schemer though. She knows what she wants and she knows how to get it, with kindness and/or ruthlessness.
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Old May 5 2014, 09:01 PM   #20
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She's totally scheming. She wants Tyrion's head on a stick and tried to manipulate 2 of the 3 judges presiding over his trial.
Make that 3. She's actively supporting the marriage of Marg and Tommen because she wants to get on Mace Tyrell's good side.
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Old May 5 2014, 09:10 PM   #21
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Ah yes you are correct, I had forgotten the opening scene when she was talking to Marg at the coronation.

Covering all her bases, love it.
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Old May 5 2014, 09:35 PM   #22
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Yeah, Cersei has always struck me as the scariest and most dangerous person on the show (even more than Joffrey or her father). Just because so much of what she does is fueled by a massive amount of anger and resentment, and because you can never quite tell who she's going to strike out at next.
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Old May 5 2014, 09:57 PM   #23
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^I wouldn't put her over Joffrey but she's up there.
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Old May 5 2014, 10:04 PM   #24
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You have to wonder why Joffrey was such a crazy MF in the first place though...
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Old May 5 2014, 10:38 PM   #25
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I'll say Above Average. Despite an excellent, if slightly rushed, showdown between Jon's crew and the mutineers, there wasn't quite enough to warrant an excellent. There wasn't any bad in it, the character stuff with Cersei, Oberyn, Maergery and Twyin, Littlefinger, Sansa, Lyssa and Robyn, the Hound and Arya, and not forgetting Pod and Brienne was all very good. It just felt a little like a Moving Things Along episode. I'll kinda miss Karl Tanner though - he was a pretty good villain.

Ironic that Bran is responsible for killing the man who crippled the man who crippled him.
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Old May 5 2014, 10:52 PM   #26
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^I wouldn't put her over Joffrey but she's up there.
Joffrey was sick and twisted, but he was also dumb as a rock and could be easily outwitted by Tyrion or put in his place by Tywin. And like a chained up pitbull, once you were out of his sight you probably wouldn't have as much to worry about.

Cersei meanwhile is more like a shark who could come up and chomp your head off anywhere and at any time.
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Old May 6 2014, 05:18 AM   #27
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^I wouldn't put her over Joffrey but she's up there.
Joffrey was sick and twisted, but he was also dumb as a rock and could be easily outwitted by Tyrion or put in his place by Tywin. And like a chained up pitbull, once you were out of his sight you probably wouldn't have as much to worry about.

Cersei meanwhile is more like a shark who could come up and chomp your head off anywhere and at any time.
Cersei has a bark, but no bite. How many people has she killed or even conspired to kill? Joffrey has killed and ordered people to kill (like Robert's bastards). He may be dumber than his mother but he's far more dangerous.

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Old May 6 2014, 05:29 AM   #28
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This episode was a an ok episode.

And, I think, when all is said and done, this season will be looked at as either the weakest of all of them, or the beginning of slipping into weakness.
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Old May 6 2014, 05:42 AM   #29
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Super Hodor! Jaime's right hand is avenged!
Of course, technically that wasn't Hodor. I found it interesting that, in a way, Bran avenged the man who tried to murder him. I wonder if that was intentional on the writers' part or just a coincidence.
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^I wouldn't put her over Joffrey but she's up there.
Joffrey was sick and twisted, but he was also dumb as a rock and could be easily outwitted by Tyrion or put in his place by Tywin. And like a chained up pitbull, once you were out of his sight you probably wouldn't have as much to worry about.

Cersei meanwhile is more like a shark who could come up and chomp your head off anywhere and at any time.
Cersei has a bark, but no bite. How many people has she killed or even conspired to kill? Joffrey has killed and ordered people to kill (like Robert's bastards). He may be dumber than his mother but he's far more dangerous.
Cersei doesn't need to directly kill people. Saying she has a bark but no bite seriously underestimates her cunning. She's a woman trying to cling to the top in a man's world, and she's not doing a terrible job at it.
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