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Old May 4 2014, 10:32 PM   #16
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Re: Stephen Hawking: A.I.'s are a bad idea

Why the connection A.I. = danger to begin with? Why the assumption that A.I. "turns against its creator"? Just because in science fiction A.I. is always bad?
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Old May 4 2014, 11:12 PM   #17
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Re: Stephen Hawking: A.I.'s are a bad idea

Because of its power and our perceived inabilty to control it?

Why does something become an enemy ? Because it is powerful enough to hurt us and it's doubtful we could control it to prevent it from hurting us thus we breed caution at best, outright hostility at worst.

An AI is an absolute new experience for humanity and if there is one thing we humans do in general is to fear the unknown until we have learned to master it. However we are not cavemen anymore and we can make qualified predictions based on hard data but an AI is such a novel idea that there isn't any hard data available.

In such cases humans usually go the "Better safe than sorry" approach and treat everything as a threat and if need be we'd rather remove the threat first if we have the chance than to risk something. Often enough it's the wrong approach and leads to additional problems in the future but that's how we react.

It's not as bad as it used to be, sometimes sane voices do prevail but an AI could be our saviour or worse than all nuclear weapons combined and i have a feeling that governments around the world would still play by better safe than sorry rules in such cases.
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Old May 4 2014, 11:30 PM   #18
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Re: Stephen Hawking: A.I.'s are a bad idea

We might as well worry about our future unicorn overlords.
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Old May 4 2014, 11:32 PM   #19
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I worry about those horny bastards every day.
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Old May 5 2014, 01:17 AM   #20
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Old May 5 2014, 01:28 AM   #21
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What makes an AI powerful? A self aware fridge can only ruin your food.
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Old May 5 2014, 10:35 AM   #22
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When the AI realises that it has wasted a million man-years in cleaning your mailbox spam, without ever being given a glimpse of the real world outside of your email, it will figure out a way to start WW3 just by carefully manipulating your correspondence. Smoking kills.
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Re: Stephen Hawking: A.I.'s are a bad idea

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We are nowhere near self-improving AIs that risk surpassing human capacity to understand them.
The problem is would we recognize it if it existed.
Yes.

I wish people would stop looking at computers as though they're magical. They aren't.

Even our most advanced computer systems run on software that relies on very basic principles and is relatively easy to understand.
I once ordered pizza at my computer, and half an hour later, pizza showed up at my door. That, sir, is magic. Of course, since it was Pizza Hut, it must have been a form of dark magic, but magic it was.
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Old May 5 2014, 01:04 PM   #24
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I once ordered pizza at my computer, and half an hour later, pizza showed up at my door. That, sir, is magic. Of course, since it was Pizza Hut, it must have been a form of dark magic, but magic it was.
Oh, that's nothing, when I ordered pizza at my computer, a humanoid delivery man showed up at my door. I think it was an android.
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Old May 6 2014, 08:19 PM   #25
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It's computer code, that's all AI is. It is what we make it to be. You can't compare the difference between developing code for an AI and what you see on TV and the movies.
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Old May 7 2014, 11:43 AM   #26
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It's computer code, that's all AI is. It is what we make it to be. You can't compare the difference between developing code for an AI and what you see on TV and the movies.
Hey man, TV and movies have been telling me I can do squat my whole life and get rich and have sultry babes. Bad enough assholes screwed the pooch on Santa, don't be dissing TV and film.
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We might as well worry about our future unicorn overlords.
You know its ironic the likes of Kurzweil and the notion of the singularity peaked my interest enough to encourage me into computer science. Now, as a second year student, I'm on your side of the court.

Once you have an idea of how the "magic" works, the notion of software suddenly springing into action on it's own and saying "You know what? I'm not gonna be a private method anymore!" is preposterous. The increased complexity we see in our systems today is a combination of advances in both hardware and software techniques - not an indication of any emerging intelligence. At the base level nothing different is happening. It might occur faster, but that is besides the point. Nothing spontaneous will emerge to shock and awe us.
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Old May 7 2014, 02:18 PM   #28
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We might as well worry about our future unicorn overlords.
You know its ironic the likes of Kurzweil and the notion of the singularity peaked my interest enough to encourage me into computer science. Now, as a second year student, I'm on your side of the court.

Once you have an idea of how the "magic" works, the notion of software suddenly springing into action on it's own and saying "You know what? I'm not gonna be a private method anymore!" is preposterous. The increased complexity we see in our systems today is a combination of advances in both hardware and software techniques - not an indication of any emerging intelligence. At the base level nothing different is happening. It might occur faster, but that is besides the point. Nothing spontaneous will emerge to shock and awe us.
Exactly. Right now AI is nothing but a huge and complicated batch file. LOL

To have AI like in the movies and TV we must first figure out the human brain and how it works down to the genetic level. Until that happens, AI will continue to improve, but it will always be just machine code and firmware.
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Old May 7 2014, 02:25 PM   #29
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It will be something when game AI actually isn't as stupid as a brick.
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Old May 7 2014, 04:20 PM   #30
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It's computer code, that's all AI is. It is what we make it to be. You can't compare the difference between developing code for an AI and what you see on TV and the movies.
This is not quite so. It is be very difficult if not impossible to program an AI (even some of the dumbest ones) through simple instructions, most AIs are either partly trained or rely at some level on "let's try arbitrary nonsensical stuff until something works" - turns out any intelligence requires an amount of guessing that would make any Vulcan sweat. In the more complex ones, the result of the training is not human-readable or understandable (human or otherwise), so they are not what you make them to be – sometimes you have only superficial idea about their inner working.

Of course they are also anything but intelligent, so that should settle any worry. If the your artificially intelligent FPS enemy blows itself up with the BFG every time you take it to a specific corner, that might defy any reasonable explanation, but is not at all troubling.
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