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Old May 2 2014, 07:17 PM   #76
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

I grant you, that would be undignified.
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Old May 2 2014, 07:20 PM   #77
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TMP takes another hit.

Red shirts dropping like flies was already a thing at that time. TMP tried to address the issue, giving security some armor and maybe they won't drop dead every time they show up onscreen.

Instead of correcting a perceived problem, TMP gets called out for making security guards into goofy football players.

TMP just can't win.
Well, itn TMP, they continued writing Security as muscle-bound Dunces. Recall the exchange between Dr. McCOy and a Security man in TMP:

Security: "Biological units?"

Dr. McCoy: "Humans! Us."

IMO I think the armor was to basically make sure the audience knew it wasn't just another crewmember standing next to one of the main cast; it was definitely 'ship's security' personnel.
It was "carbon units" which required some explanation for the audience.
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Old May 2 2014, 07:54 PM   #78
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

Going back to the jumpsuits and going commando ...

Looking back, this would have been a golden opportunity for the costume department to invent the sports bra and "invisible" briefs available today. Just think, Paramount could have made a fortune on the design patents.

Instead of having Decker's Willie out there for all to see, they could have been making millions on marketing "invisible underwear."

But seriously, they could have put the jumpsuited men in jockstraps, or dance belts, or something.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like my junk supported, not flailing about like a tree in the wind.
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Old May 3 2014, 12:03 AM   #79
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

Not more like a twig?
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Old May 3 2014, 12:46 AM   #80
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise just don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else. They aren't hung up on such things.
True, but the movies (and shows) are still aimed at contemporary audiences, who do tend to notice such things.

Futurism aside, these are still costumes for a theatrical entertainment intended for modern moviegoers. Whether the "uniforms" might appeal to imaginary future people doesn't make them any more attractive to the audience. They need to look cool now.

"Trust us, I know these outfits look ugly to you, but 300 years from now they'll be the height of fashion!"
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Old May 3 2014, 01:11 AM   #81
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I really liked how they used and built upon the original rank system with the sleeve stripes. I've missed that in nearly every other ST uniform since.
First Contact onward at least has the single band around the cuff with the division color. That's kind of the best of both worlds when combined with the pips.
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Old May 3 2014, 02:28 AM   #82
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise just don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else. They aren't hung up on such things.


I don't care that much about humanity's future happiness with nakedness. But you've got to work with these guys.
Imagine you are sitting in navigation and Decker sneaks up behind you(he just blends into the background beige) and you just turn around and you're literally face to face with his lack of underwear.
Bad enough if it was the handsome Decker but what if it was some old ugly Admiral. No. No. No
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Old May 3 2014, 03:03 AM   #83
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Going back to the jumpsuits and going commando ...

Looking back, this would have been a golden opportunity for the costume department to invent the sports bra and "invisible" briefs available today. Just think, Paramount could have made a fortune on the design patents.

Instead of having Decker's Willie out there for all to see, they could have been making millions on marketing "invisible underwear."

But seriously, they could have put the jumpsuited men in jockstraps, or dance belts, or something.

I don't know about anyone else, but I like my junk supported, not flailing about like a tree in the wind.
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Not more like a twig?
Tree, twig, wispy willow, whatever.

Spock wore the Vulcan version of tighty whiteys in The Quest for Whales. Why couldn't he have worn them under the TMP jumper? Why? Why, I say, why?
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Old May 3 2014, 03:55 AM   #84
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

KIRK: I'm taking over the center seat, Will.
DECKER: You're what?
KIRK: I'm replacing you as Captain of the Enterprise. You'll stay on as Executive Officer. Temporary grade reduction to Commando....Commander, I mean Commander.
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Old May 3 2014, 07:41 AM   #85
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Maybe it was the nature of the new uniforms that prompted the Oath of Celibacy...
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Old May 3 2014, 10:25 AM   #86
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise just don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else. They aren't hung up on such things.


I don't care that much about humanity's future happiness with nakedness. But you've got to work with these guys.
Imagine you are sitting in navigation and Decker sneaks up behind you(he just blends into the background beige) and you just turn around and you're literally face to face with his lack of underwear.
Bad enough if it was the handsome Decker but what if it was some old ugly Admiral. No. No. No
What happens if this still goes on during TNG? Can you imagine being the young Ensign looking forward to your first shift at the Ent-D helm, only to have to avoid Riker's junk hanging next to your face everytime he props his leg on your console?!

And then there is the Riker Maneuver when ever he sits down.

Plus it doesn't help that Data puts everyone else to shame!
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Old May 3 2014, 10:39 AM   #87
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise just don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else. They aren't hung up on such things.


I don't care that much about humanity's future happiness with nakedness. But you've got to work with these guys.
Imagine you are sitting in navigation and Decker sneaks up behind you(he just blends into the background beige) and you just turn around and you're literally face to face with his lack of underwear.
Bad enough if it was the handsome Decker but what if it was some old ugly Admiral. No. No. No
What happens if this still goes on during TNG? Can you imagine being the young Ensign looking forward to your first shift at the Ent-D helm, only to have to avoid Riker's junk hanging next to your face everytime he props his leg on your console?!

And then there is the Riker Maneuver when ever he sits down.

Plus it doesn't help that Data puts everyone else to shame!
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Old May 3 2014, 11:05 AM   #88
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What happens if this still goes on during TNG? Can you imagine being the young Ensign looking forward to your first shift at the Ent-D helm, only to have to avoid Riker's junk hanging next to your face everytime he props his leg on your console?!
Well, of course it still goes on during the TNG era. Why do you suppose it is that Riker does that move so often to people like Data and Ensign Gates, hmm?
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Old May 3 2014, 08:35 PM   #89
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Boring people dislike color. The kind who buy white, tan, brown, gray cars.
Hey I resemble that remark!
If you also have the gray theme turned on for this forum there are support organizations who can help you. Good luck with your twelve-step program.

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Futurism aside, these are still costumes for a theatrical entertainment intended for modern moviegoers. Whether the "uniforms" might appeal to imaginary future people doesn't make them any more attractive to the audience. They need to look cool now.
Absolutely. And since we have absolutely no idea what humans of the real 23rd century will be into, clothing-wise, all we have to go on is what we like right now.

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Temporary grade reduction to Commando....Commander, I mean Commander.


As for the "everyone walks around naked" thing: Pass. That may have worked with Gene Roddenberry's "new humans" thing, but not Starfleet. It would just look silly.

New Humans might get away with being naked all the time because of that New Age-ish groupmind philosophy that they're into, but Starfleet officers are supposed to look professional at all times.

And for all they know, they might run into aliens who react with shock and horror at nakedness. 'Course, aliens could also do this with people wearing clothes, but I'm sure that's much less likely. You don't see many naked alien space fleets, do you?
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