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Old May 2 2014, 12:04 AM   #61
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

I like Kirk's Class A, his short sleeve, and the long sleeve open collar duty tunics. If they had limited the variants to these and made the trousers and boots a contrasting color it would have looked much better. Not nearly so bland, and would have hidden Decker's Willie.
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Old May 2 2014, 01:08 AM   #62
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I'd say the belt-buckle-biorythm-doohickies were a doomed concept from the start. They take away too much drama potential in stories. No finding dead bodies, or crewmen unknowingly catching some mysterious disease with those belt medical boxes to spoil all the surprises! Unless Star Trek were specifically a medical show, those belt devices would get in the way of the story, and many dramatic scenes of character interaction would die aborning.
I don't feel that way - and the fact that we had them all through the TNG era as part of the comm badges supports the notion that they were not an insurmountable plot device. However, I do agree that making the tech too magical is annoying as it leads writers to conveniently forget stuff to maintain the drama or leave Troi off the bridge that week.

Bio-belts and communicators should have been used just like the bracelets in Blake's 7 (i.e. portable quantum scanners) so far from being a hindrance to the drama, they add to it since a malfunctioning belt or loss of communicator means no getting back to the ship. It also means no beaming enemies to your brig unless you can first tag them and no beaming everyone in the general area. Big improvement IMO.
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Old May 2 2014, 06:06 AM   #63
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If "Spock's Brain" is canon, and so many don't want it to be, then everybody has a personal adjustable environmental field around them for temperature control since at least the TOS era.

landing party beams down to Sigma Draconis, they all start to immediately react to the cold

Kirk: Suit temperatures to seventy two.

everybody reaches around behind them and all stop shivering.

In theory clothing could be totally optional on some ships.
It's interesting, what with all the frame-by-frame, microscopic analysis this shows' gadgets and concepts get, yet I don't recall seeing anything hypothesizing just how that suit-temperature thing is operated.

Actually, why did Kirk order his guys to set such an exact temperature?

Outfits are separate parts: shirts, pants and so on. Does this heating system have separate controls for the shirt, pants and each boot?

Do the guys on the ship wear socks? I can't remember seeing any...
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Old May 2 2014, 09:23 AM   #64
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

The thermostat connections would be wireless, I suspect. I really liked the black belt, myself. Everything about the look of the new uniforms, even the sewn-in shoes, is unique and memorable. The cut of the pants where they meet the shoe is a cool look, I don't remember seeing that kind of a look before. The wrist communicators made perfect sense to me and I don't know why they had to get rid of it. Everything about this costume, this uniform, shows the artistry and brilliance of Robert Fletcher. I really wish the rest of the movies could've continued to use his inspired designs from The Motion Picture. And if they never explained the belt buckle and Bones had to run through the halls in order to find an injured crewman, or a dead body, I wouldn't give it a second thought, to be perfectly honest. Just keep that look! And perhaps the continued use of the outfits would've put more pressure on the cast to keep fit ...
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Old May 2 2014, 12:00 PM   #65
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Re: What was wrong with the TMP uniforms?

Boring people dislike color. The kind who buy white, tan, brown, gray cars.
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Old May 2 2014, 12:15 PM   #66
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The wrist communicators made perfect sense to me and I don't know why they had to get rid of it.
Same here, the reason why they changed was most likely the Studio wanting to cash in on nostalgia for the flip top models which they were a big part of wanting the large, bulky models seen in the sequel. It wasnt until the version used in STIII and V which returned to the true nostalgia of the TOS model.

I will be honest I really didnt like the one piece suits, the 2 piece ones looked better but the best again still has to be Kirk's short sleeve version; the white one gray looked good and the difference made the uniform 'pop' a little more than the solid grey one.

I too really liked the style of the sewn on delta, it looked clean, fresh and is one of my favourite iterations of the insignia along with Kirk's metal version earlier on, the GEN/DS9/VOY and AGT comm badges as well as the revised classic versions from ST09/ITD.
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Old May 2 2014, 12:19 PM   #67
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Boring people dislike color. The kind who buy white, tan, brown, gray cars.
Hey I resemble that remark!

Space 1999 did have the beige but also added some colour (and flares).
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Old May 2 2014, 04:25 PM   #68
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The wrist communicators made perfect sense to me and I don't know why they had to get rid of it.
Same here, the reason why they changed was most likely the Studio wanting to cash in on nostalgia for the flip top models which they were a big part of wanting the large, bulky models seen in the sequel. It wasnt until the version used in STIII and V which returned to the true nostalgia of the TOS model.
A number of things went a little 'retrograde' from TWOK onwards. The pants and boots on the Monster Maroons are a clear throwback to the TOS uniforms, and as you say things like the phasers and the replacement communicator props were also redesigned to look more like updated versions of the ones in TOS, rather than the different designs envisioned for TMP.

In a lot of ways TMP was more "forward thinking", with a production design that (rightly or wrongly) was all about turning everything we saw in TOS on its head and giving it a fresh luck of paint. Which is why things like the wrist communicators exist.
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Old May 2 2014, 05:21 PM   #69
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I was looking at pics of the different uniform variants this morning and came across one that was worse than Decker's Willie. It was a promo pic of Kirk and Spock, with Nimoy in the jumpsuit. If you've seen it, you know. If not, it's better left alone.

Seriously, there were too many costume changes. Too many variants. They could have done away with the jumpsuit in favor of the separate tunic and trousers and no one would have noticed. Or even cared.

And for crying out loud, underwear!
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Old May 2 2014, 05:55 PM   #70
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TMP takes another hit.

Red shirts dropping like flies was already a thing at that time. TMP tried to address the issue, giving security some armor and maybe they won't drop dead every time they show up onscreen.

Instead of correcting a perceived problem, TMP gets called out for making security guards into goofy football players.

TMP just can't win.
That was a writing problem. Giving them armor isn't going to change the fact they're expendable.
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Old May 2 2014, 06:17 PM   #71
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TMP takes another hit.

Red shirts dropping like flies was already a thing at that time. TMP tried to address the issue, giving security some armor and maybe they won't drop dead every time they show up onscreen.

Instead of correcting a perceived problem, TMP gets called out for making security guards into goofy football players.

TMP just can't win.
Well, itn TMP, they continued writing Security as muscle-bound Dunces. Recall the exchange between Dr. McCOy and a Security man in TMP:

Security: "Biological units?"

Dr. McCoy: "Humans! Us."

IMO I think the armor was to basically make sure the audience knew it wasn't just another crewmember standing next to one of the main cast; it was definitely 'ship's security' personnel.
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Old May 2 2014, 06:58 PM   #72
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I was looking at pics of the different uniform variants this morning and came across one that was worse than Decker's Willie. It was a promo pic of Kirk and Spock, with Nimoy in the jumpsuit. If you've seen it, you know. If not, it's better left alone.

Seriously, there were too many costume changes. Too many variants. They could have done away with the jumpsuit in favor of the separate tunic and trousers and no one would have noticed. Or even cared.

And for crying out loud, underwear!
In the sexually liberated Star Trek future, humans have evolved beyond the point where they feel embarrassed by their lack of undergarments. In fact, I bet Kirk and crew would feel perfectly comfortable walking around the ship naked.

I can almost see Picard now, gearing up for one of his famous speeches justifying this to Q, as a reason why humanity has shown rapid progress over the centuries, or something.
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Old May 2 2014, 07:05 PM   #73
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I was looking at pics of the different uniform variants this morning and came across one that was worse than Decker's Willie. It was a promo pic of Kirk and Spock, with Nimoy in the jumpsuit. If you've seen it, you know. If not, it's better left alone.

Seriously, there were too many costume changes. Too many variants. They could have done away with the jumpsuit in favor of the separate tunic and trousers and no one would have noticed. Or even cared.

And for crying out loud, underwear!
In the sexually liberated Star Trek future, humans have evolved beyond the point where they feel embarrassed by their lack of undergarments. In fact, I bet Kirk and crew would feel perfectly comfortable walking around the ship naked.

I can almost see Picard now, gearing up for one of his famous speeches justifying this to Q, as a reason why humanity has shown rapid progress over the centuries, or something.
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Old May 2 2014, 07:13 PM   #74
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise just don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else. They aren't hung up on such things.
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Old May 2 2014, 07:16 PM   #75
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^ Yes indeed.

I like the guy on the walkie talkie behind him: "Dude, I'm not even joking, he's walking around without his shirt on AGAIN."

In all seriousness, obviously the uniforms exist for purposes of maintaining discipline and establishing rank and such, but I think the modern societal taboos associated with Nakedness (or, indeed, almost-nakedness, like the "I've got nothing to hide!" TMP uniforms) would not exist in Star Trek's future. People on the Enterprise don't notice the Decker-unit, or Ilia's cameltoe, or Lieutenant Uhura's frequent panty flashes in TOS, or whatever else.
But ... SKID MARKS!
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