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Old June 19 2014, 08:28 AM   #46
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

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For how much I love Nordic poetry, I have to question any mythology in which the primeval beings are a man... and a cow.
Yeah, a woman and a pig sounds way more realistic.
ROTFLMAO! A pity we don't have a Quote Of The Week anymore. This one would have been a top candidate.
As for men coming first - has the reason for that ever been researched? For the purpose of propagation it'd be better if both came simultaneousely. So why don't they? (and should we start a new thread about that?)


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Old June 19 2014, 08:14 PM   #47
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

LOL considering the number of transporter accidents happening in all Trek series, I'd rather take a shuttle
There are only few nonstop flights from Abu Dhabi to MUC. With most connections you have to switch planes at Doha.
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Old June 21 2014, 12:41 AM   #48
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

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As for the religious aspects:
They don't really matter anyway.
I respectfully disagree. The religious aspect was strong in the thread's initial post and even though the both of us are atheists that doesn't necessarily go for everyone else. As good scientists we should try to cover every angle of the question put before us.
As good scientists we should allow evidence to lead us to a conclusion, rather than a conclusion to drive the search for evidence. That's why the religious aspects don't matter. Not when the question is one of science.

If we were discussing mythology or sociology, then they'd matter.
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Old June 21 2014, 12:49 AM   #49
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

Religions are an incredibly interesting topic. They reveal so much about the history, lore, customs, economy, sociology, anthropology, and even psychology of any given culture.

I love religions so much, I have what religious people do with them.
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Old June 21 2014, 01:03 AM   #50
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Religions are an incredibly interesting topic. They reveal so much about the history, lore, customs, economy, sociology, anthropology, and even psychology of any given culture.

I love religions so much, I have what religious people do with them.
Agreed. They are fascinating, and we can learn so much about people by studying them. One thing we can't learn about from them though, is biology.
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Old June 21 2014, 01:26 AM   #51
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

I don't know, the study of entheogenic substances and the field of neurotheology can teach us a lot about the biology of the brain!
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Old June 21 2014, 02:25 AM   #52
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You got me there!

(Another thing a good scientist does: admits it when the evidence doesn't support their assertions.)
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Old June 21 2014, 02:39 AM   #53
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

Without considering religion, it would have to be females first, or both very close together. Females could still reproduce with parath-whatever, but if males came first, well, they couldn't reproduce on their own.
Also, I just want to point out, that just because males can't breast feed doesn't mean male nipples are useless. They can still be a source of pleasure. Not a big deal maybe, but not entirely useless all the same.
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Old June 21 2014, 02:51 AM   #54
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Who came first? Both at the same time! Badum tish!
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Old June 21 2014, 02:51 AM   #55
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^Emilia beat ya to it!


@borgboy: Parthenogenisis.
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Old June 21 2014, 05:19 AM   #56
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^Emilia beat ya to it!
Figures.
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Old June 21 2014, 06:03 AM   #57
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^Emilia beat ya to it!
Figures.
I seriously did not intend any innuendo, but now that I've seen it it's great.
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Old August 18 2014, 11:45 PM   #58
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It's obvious in every day life that the female came first in order to carry life in her womb. Every single birth on planet Earth comes from the female, save a few species such as Sea Horses, but the majority of life is carried and developed within the womb of the female and not the male.

This proves without a doubt that females were the first to come into being in the Universe with males coming into being second.

This is the main reason why there is so much abuse of women by men on Earth. Men abuse women because they are belittled by the fact that women carry both female and male in their wombs and give birth to both genders.

This means that at one time or another in the early evolution of humans that a cellular split occurred that evolved man from woman.

Men can only try and cover up the truth if reality with religious words when the proof of concept is right there in front of us everyday of the week.

I can't help it if you get angry because you are uneducated and believe all comes from you because you have testicles and wave your arms saying fancy words that make people tired.

Your mad because you hate the truth of reality and have tried to escape it your whole entire existence.

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Old August 19 2014, 12:01 AM   #59
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

uhm, no...

Life started with asexual reproduction.
That means neither male nor female yet.

At some point organisms started to exchange and mix dna instead of just cloning itself.
That's when evolution really got into high gear because change could happen so much faster.
many organisms developed the ability to fertilize other members of their species while being able to be fertilized by others as well. They were still neither male or female but could produce sexually.
Those species still exist today... plants for example
Eventually species split into specialized male and female versions... mostly animalia I think.


Disclaimer: layman's very crude understanding of the whole process. happily being corrected by actual authority on the subject.
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Old August 19 2014, 03:41 AM   #60
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This proves without a doubt that females were the first to come into being in the Universe with males coming into being second.
It doesn't prove anything. You're also assuming life on Earth came before anywhere else in the Universe.

This means that at one time or another in the early evolution of humans
It didn't happen during the evolution of humans; it happened before life crawled out of the sea. You just finished mentioning how it's true across the entire animal kingdom. That already means it predates man.
that a cellular split occurred that evolved man from woman.
Do you even know what those words mean?

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