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Old June 17 2014, 09:43 PM   #31
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Re: Who Came First? - Female or Male?

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As for the religious aspects:
They don't really matter anyway.
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Old June 17 2014, 10:59 PM   #32
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When in doubt, The Good Book prevails:
Man came first.
I understand that you are scared of not being viewed as a manly man and have to resort to religious book.

But put that book down and become a real man and indulge in science.

If man came first then how did man know how to create a womb? According to your Good Book God created man first and then took from man to create woman.

So if this true then inside of the man someone where there should be traces of a womb and ovaries much as there is traces of a rib cage that a rib was taken from to create woman.

Why would have god given man nipples as well to then give to the woman?

In scientific terms modern day male and female would have come from a split in the genders as man has physical traits such as nipples the same that a female does.

If such a split did not occur and God created both differently then in all of his perfections he would never have given man nipples because the efficiency of a man needing nipples would not be needed because they are nothing more than access points to the milk that a female gives her young as it grows and develops.

Just don't go run and hide in a religious book, you are killing your brain cells and dumbing yourself down as such words do not create reality but merely convey an understanding of how reality was in those times when science had not yet been fully developed.
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Old June 18 2014, 04:39 AM   #33
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Usually...the male.

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Old June 18 2014, 04:45 AM   #34
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Old June 18 2014, 05:01 AM   #35
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Dryson wrote: View Post
2takesfrakes wrote: View Post
When in doubt, The Good Book prevails:
Man came first.
I understand that you are scared of not being viewed as a manly man and have to resort to religious book.

But put that book down and become a real man and indulge in science.

If man came first then how did man know how to create a womb? According to your Good Book God created man first and then took from man to create woman.

So if this true then inside of the man someone where there should be traces of a womb and ovaries much as there is traces of a rib cage that a rib was taken from to create woman.

Why would have god given man nipples as well to then give to the woman?

In scientific terms modern day male and female would have come from a split in the genders as man has physical traits such as nipples the same that a female does.

If such a split did not occur and God created both differently then in all of his perfections he would never have given man nipples because the efficiency of a man needing nipples would not be needed because they are nothing more than access points to the milk that a female gives her young as it grows and develops.

Just don't go run and hide in a religious book, you are killing your brain cells and dumbing yourself down as such words do not create reality but merely convey an understanding of how reality was in those times when science had not yet been fully developed.
Hello, Dryson!

Here is what I bet...

...I bet that if you re-read this post, pretending someone sent it to you, that you can re-write it in a different way, to get your well-entitled points and opinions across, and at the same time show your intellect and ability to assimilate and accept other viewpoints...

...and I bet you can do it with style and grace!

yes?

...thanks for considering!
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Old June 18 2014, 10:34 AM   #36
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As for the religious aspects:
They don't really matter anyway.
I respectfully disagree. The religious aspect was strong in the thread's initial post and even though the both of us are atheists that doesn't necessarily go for everyone else. As good scientists we should try to cover every angle of the question put before us.
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Old June 18 2014, 11:20 AM   #37
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A trascendent god is, by definition, outside the interest of science. The content of "the good book" is no more relevant to the discussion than the legend of the giant Ymir's body being used by the gods to create the sky and the earth.
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Old June 18 2014, 12:15 PM   #38
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So you're saying Ymir obviously came first.
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Old June 18 2014, 02:37 PM   #39
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but when he was borm from fire and ice he was fed by the (female) cow Audhumbla. So she must have been there first
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Old June 18 2014, 02:58 PM   #40
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For how much I love Nordic poetry, I have to question any mythology in which the primeval beings are a man... and a cow.
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Old June 18 2014, 02:59 PM   #41
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For how much I love Nordic poetry, I have to question any mythology in which the primeval beings are a man... and a cow.
Yeah, a woman and a pig sounds way more realistic.
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Old June 18 2014, 03:04 PM   #42
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In my personal mythology, the firstborn beings from whom the world is created are a lizard and a whole bunch of sexy naked chinchillas.
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Old June 18 2014, 03:26 PM   #43
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My original reply to the thread title was: Ideally they both came at the same time. But it doesn't always work out.
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Old June 18 2014, 04:21 PM   #44
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Men's nipples are the red herring of life. It's best to ignore them completely.
I strongly disagree. You'd be surprised what a tongue and carefully applied teeth can do to a man's nipples (with tangible effects 2 feet further down)
...and when do we start training for that!?!?!?

Good post, 'Dendron!
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Old June 18 2014, 05:24 PM   #45
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For how much I love Nordic poetry, I have to question any mythology in which the primeval beings are a man... and a cow.
Yeah, a woman and a pig sounds way more realistic.
ROTFLMAO! A pity we don't have a Quote Of The Week anymore. This one would have been a top candidate.
As for men coming first - has the reason for that ever been researched? For the purpose of propagation it'd be better if both came simultaneousely. So why don't they? (and should we start a new thread about that?)


How about a stopover at Munich airport next time you fly home, HIjol? For purely scientific reasons, of course
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