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Old April 30 2014, 01:27 AM   #16
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Re: Chris Pine/Kirk

It's all Picard's fault.

Back in the 1980s someone said that, as captain of the Enterprise, Kirk shouldn't beam down personally to danger and risk the ship lose her commanding officer (forgetting there'd be no Star Trek otherwise). Then when the time came to do TNG, attending to that absurd idea was invented Picard, the "older" "strategist" who stayed with the ship commanding who-knows-what and that bore demanded the creation of Decker-like muscular Number One to, you know, do things.

Well, that went the way it went. When there was no other way except reboot Trek, it was deemed Kirk should be as far as possibly from Baldy, and in name of clarity absurdity came.

Poor actor Pine looks right -- he really does -- but his Kirk had to be an electric on drugs speedy version.

It's all Picard's fault.
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Old April 30 2014, 01:47 AM   #17
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Quinto does a better job of evoking the original actor than anyone else in the movies, because he's not trying too hard to imitate Nimoy - he's playing the character Spock. Urban's fine, but he's doing an impersonation just as Pegg is (Pegg's not mimicking Doohan's fake accent, but he parodies much of his attitude).

I like Pine fine as Kirk. His Kirk is not the same character as oldKirk.
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Old April 30 2014, 11:13 AM   #18
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Re: Chris Pine/Kirk

Dennis wrote: View Post
Quinto does a better job of evoking the original actor than anyone else in the movies, because he's not trying too hard to imitate Nimoy - he's playing the character Spock. Urban's fine, but he's doing an impersonation just as Pegg is (Pegg's not mimicking Doohan's fake accent, but he parodies much of his attitude).

I like Pine fine as Kirk. His Kirk is not the same character as oldKirk.
I disagree that Quinto does a better job of evoking Spock. I think he looks more like Spock but I think that Urban does a better job of channelling the inner McCoy although he looks nothing like deForest Kelley.

I just think that Quinto is playing a 21st century version of Spock all angst and vengeful. I never saw that aspect in Nimoy's Spock (the 'real' Spock ). I don't mind Quinto's Spock- he's just not as wonderful a character as the original Spock IMO.
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Old May 1 2014, 02:27 AM   #19
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There are moments when you can see the "original Spock" in Quijto's performance, but, on balance, I agree with CommishSleer on Urban being a more "complete" new McCoy than Quijto's Spock...but the real turning point for me is when NuSpock and Nu'Uhura kiss so effortlessly and almost casually...that is when NuSpock goes off the rails for me...
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Old May 1 2014, 03:02 AM   #20
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Urban comes across to me as an impressionist and not a lot more. His routine is Pissed-Off McCoy, only one of the three or four attitudes Kelley was capable of as McCoy.

I enjoy Urban, but I enjoy impressions.
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Old May 1 2014, 03:59 AM   #21
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Urban comes across to me as an impressionist and not a lot more. His routine is Pissed-Off McCoy, only one of the three or four attitudes Kelley was capable of as McCoy.

I enjoy Urban, but I enjoy impressions.
...now that you mention it, McCoy/Kelley was usally pissed off at someone...and I can see the "impressionist", but he sure does it well, for what it is...
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Old May 1 2014, 02:59 PM   #22
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My problem with nuSpock's character is that there is no development. He still is the very same child with anger management issues he was in the beginning of Trek 09. When that movie came out, I said that at the end of the film Spock hasn't changed, all it needed was some taunting and he would go berserk. And in Into Darkness, that was proven to be true. He still can't handle his anger and starts beating the crap out of people.


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Urban comes across to me as an impressionist and not a lot more. His routine is Pissed-Off McCoy, only one of the three or four attitudes Kelley was capable of as McCoy.
He isn't given much more to do in the films, that might be the issue.
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Old May 1 2014, 03:40 PM   #23
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I'd like to see Pine Kirk as a better person in the next movie.

I'd like to see more of him being an awesome tactical captain earning the respect of his crew through his captaincy not through how many women he can bed at once.

I hate all his interactions with Spock in STID. The name calling, complaining to Uhura about Spock.

Hopefully that's all settled in the next movie and Kirk, Spock and McCoy become a united (but not perfect) team like they were in TOS.
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Old May 1 2014, 03:50 PM   #24
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Pine's had some great Kirk moments, where he wasn't Shatner but really Kirk was we know him.

In ST09, when Uhura confronts him when she says 'I hope you know what you're doing, 'captain'.' And his reply, from what he said, how he said it, the look in his eyes, the feelings behind them.... completely Kirk. Kirk never believed in the no-win scenario, not because he simply didn't, but because he felt he couldn't afford to. Not when it ment someone could die. That didn't mean he think he was incapable of feeling, he just told himself not to. That small moment of vulnerability we saw at that moment, was something we've seen from Kirk in TOS and the movies aswell. The way Pine delivered that, stunning.

That, and the moment at the end of the movie, when he was been given command of the Enterprise, and they're about to go underway. He steps onto the bridge, looks around, sees Bones.... Perfect Kirk-moment.
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Old May 1 2014, 04:06 PM   #25
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CommishSleer wrote: View Post
I'd like to see Pine Kirk as a better person in the next movie.

I'd like to see more of him being an awesome tactical captain earning the respect of his crew through his captaincy not through how many women he can bed at once.

I hate all his interactions with Spock in STID. The name calling, complaining to Uhura about Spock.

Hopefully that's all settled in the next movie and Kirk, Spock and McCoy become a united (but not perfect) team like they were in TOS.
...amen, Sister,...like they were!...there are some things that should not change...and if we are not going to enjoy the Kirk/Spock/McCoy synergy, then what in the hell...
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Old May 1 2014, 04:41 PM   #26
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Urban comes across to me as an impressionist and not a lot more. His routine is Pissed-Off McCoy, only one of the three or four attitudes Kelley was capable of as McCoy.

I enjoy Urban, but I enjoy impressions.
Didn't Urban admit he was basically channeling Kelley? His McCoy is an homage to Kelley's McCoy rather than his interpretation of the character.

Pine nailed the character of Kirk in STID. Nailed it. Tape measure job. I look forward to where he takes the more mature Kirk in the next movie.
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Old May 2 2014, 11:59 AM   #27
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When did Kirk whine or act like a baby in ID?
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Old May 2 2014, 12:01 PM   #28
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Pine nailed the character of Kirk in STID. Nailed it. Tape measure job.
I don't recall the character of Kirk being a whiny baby in TOS.
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Old May 2 2014, 03:21 PM   #29
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I dunno, the "no beach to walk on" speech is kind of whiny.
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Old May 10 2014, 05:25 PM   #30
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King Daniel Into Darkness wrote: View Post
When did Kirk whine or act like a baby in ID?
I suspect an answer will not be forthcoming. This is just "let's use the same strategy we used on the SW prequels".
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