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Old April 26 2014, 02:45 PM   #1
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The cruelest villains of Star Trek

I am sure no one would disagree that Khaun takes the cake, but whom else would be considered cruel? Perhaps the Klingon from Day of the Dove? Perhaps Lord Garth? Perhaps General Greene from a season 3 episode? General Greene pretended to be friendly with Kirk but tricked him, only to have murdered a Vulcan and Abraham Lincoln as well! In history Greene came before Lincoln, but what a cruel character no doubt whom wants victory and advancement at any cost. After I finish season 3 I am gonna re-watch various episodes in the first 2 seasons to become more familiar with them. But there is a Klingon episode from season 1 that featured a cruel Klingon whom may be considered.

Whom else?
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Old April 26 2014, 03:40 PM   #2
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KHAN actually killed a total of 0 (zero) enemies during his episode and the cruelest thing he did was to gas the crew into blissful unconsciousness. Not very cruel if you ask me.

The crown, IMO goes to Captain Ronald Tracey of the Exeter, for cold-bloodedly disintegrating a fellow Starfleet officer, starting a war between two peoples on a more primitive planet, and engaging in a death duel with another ship's Captain.
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Old April 26 2014, 04:01 PM   #3
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Re: The cruelest villains of Star Trek

Didn't Tracey also 'drain' a phaser killing lots of natives? That would seem to be a lot of death.
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Old April 26 2014, 04:26 PM   #4
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KHAN actually killed a total of 0 (zero) enemies during his episode and the cruelest thing he did was to gas the crew into blissful unconsciousness. Not very cruel if you ask me.
Must cruelty = amount of people personally killed by villain?

Can we count Kruge in this mix? The killing of Valaris seemed totally cruel and without need.
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Old April 26 2014, 04:40 PM   #5
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Must cruelty = amount of people personally killed by villain?

Can we count Kruge in this mix? The killing of Valaris seemed totally cruel and without need.
Well, if gassing many people is cruel, then being a dentist is the cruelest profession of all
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Old April 26 2014, 05:53 PM   #6
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Re: The cruelest villains of Star Trek

T'Pring - just divorce the guy
Melakon - Hitler wannabee
Janice Lester - killed her colleagues just to get close to Kirk
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Old April 26 2014, 07:53 PM   #7
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I think it was Rojan in "By Any Other Name" when he crushed the cube and then we found out it was the female red shirt that died.
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Old April 26 2014, 09:31 PM   #8
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T'Pring - just divorce the guy
Melakon - Hitler wannabee
Janice Lester - killed her colleagues just to get close to Kirk
Now just a minute here. I don't know who this Hitler guy is you're talking about, I only wanted to replace John Gill due to his debilitating illness. Then some Zeon pig shot me.
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Old April 26 2014, 09:48 PM   #9
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I think it was Rojan in "By Any Other Name" when he crushed the cube and then we found out it was the female red shirt that died.
Oh yes. This. For some reason I, likewise, thought it was worse that the female red shirt was the one that died and not the male.

But Rojan has got to count for that. So cold blooded.
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Old April 26 2014, 10:33 PM   #10
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I think it was Rojan in "By Any Other Name" when he crushed the cube and then we found out it was the female red shirt that died.
For some reason I, likewise, thought it was worse that the female red shirt was the one that died and not the male.
This sort of reads as if it's saying it's too bad the pretty white girl died and not the black guy.

If you keep track of the styrofoam blocks though, he does crush the girl.
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Old April 26 2014, 11:26 PM   #11
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I think it was Rojan in "By Any Other Name" when he crushed the cube and then we found out it was the female red shirt that died.
Oh yes. This. For some reason I, likewise, thought it was worse that the female red shirt was the one that died and not the male.

But Rojan has got to count for that. So cold blooded.
I totally forgot about that. In the 60's at least they didn't try to bring her remains from the "dehydrated porous cuboctahedron solid" (source: memory alpha) back. Ugh. What a mess that would have been. If done today, they might well have gone for the shock effect.
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Old April 26 2014, 11:49 PM   #12
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For some reason I, likewise, thought it was worse that the female red shirt was the one that died and not the male.
This sort of reads as if it's saying it's too bad the pretty white girl died and not the black guy.
Color had nothing to do with it. We were used to male red shirts dying all the time. To have the female die instead was a bigger (and unexpected) shock.
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Old April 27 2014, 12:14 AM   #13
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Didn't Tracey also 'drain' a phaser killing lots of natives? That would seem to be a lot of death.
Actually it was four phasers. Probably accounting for thousands of deaths. Tracey would be my pick for this alone if the Omega Glory wasn't ultimately so ridiculous.

I agree with the earlier comment that Khan does not in fact come across as particularly cruel. Ruthless, arrogant and barbaric, certainly, but not cruel. (In his mad incarnation in TWOK is a different story, but I'm sticking within TOS parameters.)

My vote would be for Kor (thanks Marsden for providing the correct name), who was just as unflinching about mass death as Tracey was. Granted he didn't genuinely get to kill anyone in the outing we saw... but he didn't know that.
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Old April 27 2014, 12:56 AM   #14
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I think for "cruelty" champion, I pick Trelane. He seem to delight in it, for no reason but his own pleasure.

Dr. Adams is in the running.

Captain Tracey and Kor were certainly ruthless, but I didn't get the impression they enjoyed it, but I guess that doesn't make them less cruel.

I wouldn't pick Space Seed Khan, but Wrathful Khan, yes.

I think the Salt Sucker was a cruel beast.

Actually, one of my favorite things about Star Trek is the lack of "villainous" villains. A lot conflict is because of cultural differences and misunderstandings rather than what things devolve to in the time of the Star Trek movies.
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Old April 27 2014, 01:15 AM   #15
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Actually, one of my favorite things about Star Trek is the lack of "villainous" villains. A lot conflict is because of cultural differences and misunderstandings rather than what things devolve to in the time of the Star Trek movies.
I agree with this.

Although there is a great example of well-realized and truly, personally sadistic villainy in Trek, but he doesn't come from TOS.
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