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Old December 12 2014, 10:24 PM   #1
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TNG Reboot/Re-imagining?

I know this has been brought up a lot but I couldn't find something recent enough for this forum.

1. Could totally work.
2. Tom Mison as Mr Data.

Watching Sleepy Hollow and thinking he could totally be Data.
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Old December 13 2014, 12:53 AM   #2
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Re: TNG Reboot/Re-imagining?

There was a rumor months ago that the new movie was casting a young Deanna Troi. There was a recent rumor that the new movie was going to have time travel, but that rumor has been debunked by Orci, if you can believe it.
With Shatner and Nimoy doing a small role, time travel seems likely to me. I'm still holding out hope that we'll get a series of reboot TNG movies after the current movie series ends, most likely with a trilogy.
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Old December 13 2014, 08:15 AM   #3
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A TNG reboot would instantly nullify my biggest complaint with the reboot universe (that it went back to my least favourite set of characters in the whole of ST)

It would be interesting to see what they would change and what they would keep from the old series. If they decided for a look in tune with the new movies they would still have to be careful to present the ship and style different enough from the current enterprise as to be feasible for a ship that was built decades later.

There is a lot of fun speculation here: like, would they keep Tasha? Would they include her and kill her off in the first movie?
I'm not good at fan-castings because I don't play much attention to celebrities but on other sites people suggested Matt Bomer as Riker (well that'd be interesting, would be confusing for me to suddenly find Riker attractive) and Cote de Pablo from NCIS as Deanna Troi.
I agree with those two choices and would add that I can somehow see Orlando Bloom as Data. He is good at looking puzzled, which is an important part of the character.

But who as Picard, really? I can't imagine anybody else in that role. But I realize it must have been similar for TOS fans to see Kirk recast.

My other complaints (movies instead of a series, rehashing rather than making something new) would still be there, however.
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Old December 13 2014, 12:23 PM   #4
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Re: TNG Reboot/Re-imagining?

I disagree that a TNG reboot could work, because, for one thing, most of the younglings watching the current reboot would be confused by it. STAR TREK is Kirk and Spock and who are all of these other people ... like the old captain and this woman having to feel everything, all the time? She's hot though, she can feel me, if she wants. And I thought Klingons were the bad guys? Why is this one pretending he's a good guy? On and on ... they simply will not buy into this being a STAR TREK universe. I'm convinced that a Battlestar Galactica type reboot of the current reboot is the only step forward possible, once STAR TREK's current stock is spent ...
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Old December 13 2014, 01:17 PM   #5
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I disagree that a TNG reboot could work, because, for one thing, most of the younglings watching the current reboot would be confused by it. STAR TREK is Kirk and Spock and who are all of these other people ... like the old captain and this woman having to feel everything, all the time? She's hot though, she can feel me, if she wants. And I thought Klingons were the bad guys? Why is this one pretending he's a good guy? On and on ... they simply will not buy into this being a STAR TREK universe. I'm convinced that a Battlestar Galactica type reboot of the current reboot is the only step forward possible, once STAR TREK's current stock is spent ...
I was sixteen when TNG came out and I had no issue keeping up.

I'd probably merge Riker and Yar, keeping the Tasha Yar name. Ambitious female, second-in-command who doubles as the security chief. Worf would return to his jack-of-all-trades role on the bridge. LaForge back to being the blind pilot. Data would be an alien android (like he originally proposed). Troi would be more of a straight telepath. The rest would stay the same and then create a new chief engineer. Thought of O'Brien, but I feel that character is a little too close to a Scotty knock-off.
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Old December 13 2014, 01:39 PM   #6
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I was sixteen when TNG came out and I had no issue keeping up.
I was about eight years younger than that when I discovered TNG, but it fired up the little nerd in me and made me super-curious about the history between TOS and TNG. I knew one came after the other and I was thrilled that there was this history that I could read up on, that this particular universe had already been expanded and I could explore it.
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Old December 13 2014, 01:42 PM   #7
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I'm convinced that a Battlestar Galactica type reboot of the current reboot is the only step forward possible, once STAR TREK's current stock is spent ...
So then we just keep rebooting until we actually reach the 23rd century? Isn't that a bit pathetic? Never going forwards, always just back and back and back again?

"Man, Kahn Version 5 was so much better than Version 4, but nothing comes close to Version 3!"

As for "the kids" not accepting a rebooted TNG. Just give them flashy visuals and characters played by attractive actors they can ship and everything is OK.
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Old December 13 2014, 02:29 PM   #8
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I'm convinced that a Battlestar Galactica type reboot of the current reboot is the only step forward possible, once STAR TREK's current stock is spent ...
So then we just keep rebooting until we actually reach the 23rd century? Isn't that a bit pathetic? Never going forwards, always just back and back and back again?

"Man, Kahn Version 5 was so much better than Version 4, but nothing comes close to Version 3!"
Comics have been doing it for nearly a century and it seems to work for them. I'm okay with different creators doing their own interpretations of classic characters.
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Old December 13 2014, 02:49 PM   #9
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Captain Jean-Luc Picard would remain the mature, steadfast, honourable man, with years of experience and strong morals, except when it comes to Beverly Crusher--the two had an affair prior to her husbands death, something they both still carry a lot of guilt about and has strained their once tight friendship.

Commander William Riker is actually an alien adopted by human parents. He has assimilated easily into human culture and doesn't feel the least bit ostracised or left out due to his unknown origins. Ambitions, eager and hot-headed, he is in need of seasoning.

Commander Beverly Crusher is a passionate healer and gifted surgeon. If it wasn't for the opportunities the Enterprise offered she would've turned down the assignment, due to her fraught history with Picard and the emotional baggage the two share.

Lt. Commander Deanna Troi is the Chief Counsellor and Diplomatic Liaison, as well as serving as Second Officer. A warm and sensual woman, she is very politically savvy with an abundance of knowledge about alien races and has an ear for languages--her telepathic abilities also prove very useful.

Lieutenant Data is something of a 'message in a bottle', used by an alien race to save the memories of a lost Federation colony, he has access to a vast abundance of information and experiences, unfortunately they are too complex for his circuitry to fully comprehend.

Lieutenant Selar is the ship's Chief Engineer. Organised, meticulous and methodical, she runs a tight department and is never one to pad her estimates. She harbours a deep fascination for Data, seeing him as both an engineering marvel and the epitome of what Vulcans strive all their lives to achieve.

Lieutenant Macha Hernandez is tough and feisty, willing to do whatever is needed to keep the crew safe. Her harsh childhood has made her somewhat detached from her emotions and her femininity--roaming rape gangs saw to that. With sharp instincts and quick reflexes, she often acts without thinking things through first.

Lieutenant JG Geordi La Forge is a dedicated officer and loving husband, his spouse is one of the many civilians who live onboard. Despite not wanting to make his husband a widower, he often volunteers for missions and puts himself forward for dangerous assignments--seeking the experience he will need to one day become captain.

Lieutenant Worf is a Klingon officer on an exchange programme with Starfleet, seeking to learn from how they operate and foster greater bonds between the UFP and the Empire. He is a little unsure of their ways or what to make of his new shipmates--especially with so many civilians about.

Leslie Crusher is Beverly's teenage daughter who is a genius by any races standards. She is looking for direction in her life, where she can put her intellect to good use. One thing she does know for certain, she doesn't want to be in Starfleet--blaming it for her father's death--but on its flagship she has the opportunity to see things no one else has before.
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Old December 13 2014, 02:59 PM   #10
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Comics have been doing it for nearly a century and it seems to work for them. I'm okay with different creators doing their own interpretations of classic characters.
DC comics has been doing it since the 80s and they receive plenty of criticism for it. They are also criticized for the lack of continuity in their stories.

Marvel has not done a reboot so far (knock on wood) and has had the stronger continuity of the two.

However, funny that you bring up the exact same reason why I have left comics behind. Everything always tends to snap back to a status quo.
Now you propose to expand this to TV franchises as well, just when we had seemingly (finally!) removed "satus quo is god" from tv? No thank you.

And yes there's nothing wrong with reinterpretation of classic characters. Every once in a while, not constantly. And the re-boot fever Hollywood has acquired the last few years is something negative in my eyes.

And you really want ST to be nothing more than a look backwards?

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Captain Jean-Luc Picard would remain the mature, steadfast, honourable man, with years of experience and strong morals, except when it comes to Beverly Crusher--the two had an affair prior to her husbands death, something they both still carry a lot of guilt about and has strained their once tight friendship.

Commander William Riker is actually an alien adopted by human parents. He has assimilated easily into human culture and doesn't feel the least bit ostracised or left out due to his unknown origins. Ambitions, eager and hot-headed, he is in need of seasoning.

Commander Beverly Crusher is a passionate healer and gifted surgeon. If it wasn't for the opportunities the Enterprise offered she would've turned down the assignment, due to her fraught history with Picard and the emotional baggage the two share.

Lt. Commander Deanna Troi is the Chief Counsellor and Diplomatic Liaison, as well as serving as Second Officer. A warm and sensual woman, she is very politically savvy with an abundance of knowledge about alien races and has an ear for languages--her telepathic abilities also prove very useful.

Lieutenant Data is something of a 'message in a bottle', used by an alien race to save the memories of a lost Federation colony, he has access to a vast abundance of information and experiences, unfortunately they are too complex for his circuitry to fully comprehend.

Lieutenant Selar is the ship's Chief Engineer. Organised, meticulous and methodical, she runs a tight department and is never one to pad her estimates. She harbours a deep fascination for Data, seeing him as both an engineering marvel and the epitome of what Vulcans strive all their lives to achieve.

Lieutenant Macha Hernandez is tough and feisty, willing to do whatever is needed to keep the crew safe. Her harsh childhood has made her somewhat detached from her emotions and her femininity--roaming rape gangs saw to that. With sharp instincts and quick reflexes, she often acts without thinking things through first.

Lieutenant JG Geordi La Forge is a dedicated officer and loving husband, his spouse is one of the many civilians who live onboard. Despite not wanting to make his husband a widower, he often volunteers for missions and puts himself forward for dangerous assignments--seeking the experience he will need to one day become captain.

Lieutenant Worf is a Klingon officer on an exchange programme with Starfleet, seeking to learn from how they operate and foster greater bonds between the UFP and the Empire. He is a little unsure of their ways or what to make of his new shipmates--especially with so many civilians about.

Leslie Crusher is Beverly's teenage daughter who is a genius by any races standards. She is looking for direction in her life, where she can put her intellect to good use. One thing she does know for certain, she doesn't want to be in Starfleet--blaming it for her father's death--but on its flagship she has the opportunity to see things no one else has before.
I love your concepts! Especially Riker, Macha and Geordi! Actually I think your Riker idea would be almost wasted on a re-boot and would be even better on an actual new ST series (if we ever get one again).
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Old December 13 2014, 05:51 PM   #11
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I love your concepts! Especially Riker, Macha and Geordi! Actually I think your Riker idea would be almost wasted on a re-boot and would be even better on an actual new ST series (if we ever get one again).
Thanks.

The Riker concept is something I've played about with in my own fanfic. Yar I always thought should've been more of a hard-ass, after what she went through on her homeworld. As for Geordi, I want to see a happy, normal same-sex couple dealing with all the problems any relationship would face--also used as further emphasis that there are civilians onboard.

The Picard/Crusher relationship would also be good to see. Picard, an 'evolved' human being still being brought down by his own feelings for someone and the problems that causes. Lots of tension between them, and not just sexual.

Troi needed more to do to actually justify why she sat beside the Captain, hence why she now covers more specific fields and is actually third-in-command (because of this, she would be in uniform). I like the original idea for Data, it would've been interesting to see how that developed, would he have to deal with something akin to dissociative identity disorder? I included Selar simply because I love Vulcans, and it'd be good to see a proper Vulcan woman without catsuits.

Worf as an actual Klingon would also help with an outside perspective, someone who isn't all lovey-dovey as the rest of them. As for Leslie, I always thought I weird that someone with Wesley's intelligence would suit being in Starfleet, not when there is so much more out that that someone that smart could do.
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Old December 13 2014, 06:38 PM   #12
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And you really want ST to be nothing more than a look backwards?
I want Star Trek to be Star Trek. There is this nagging habit of fandom to constantly try to turn it into something its not. Then there's the dubious complaint that somehow you're not moving forward if you use the original characters. Not moving forward is what the spinoffs did, never evolving even though they'd give us a different ship and crew but told us the same stories over and over again. Whenever I watch any of the spinoffs, it's perpetually 1987. TV grew up, they didn't.

Star Trek is sci-fi action adventure with larger than life characters (Firefly is closer to the core material in that regard than any of the spinoffs). Its fun and I'm okay with that. Especially since it already has the perfect set of characters with Kirk, Spock and the rest of the TOS gang. And there's plenty of stories to still tell with those characters. Since 1990, there's been three films that focus on the TOS characters. That's twenty-five years, an eternity in the entertainment industry.

Finally, we're beyond the point where most audiences would ostracize the studio for replacing the original actors and I'd like to see that taken advantage of. Heck, if Harve Bennett had gotten his wish to recast and do an Academy film in 1991, we may have been spared the painful TNG films.
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Old December 13 2014, 07:30 PM   #13
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And you really want ST to be nothing more than a look backwards?
I want Star Trek to be Star Trek. There is this nagging habit of fandom to constantly try to turn it into something its not. Then there's the dubious complaint that somehow you're not moving forward if you use the original characters. Not moving forward is what the spinoffs did, never evolving even though they'd give us a different ship and crew but told us the same stories over and over again. Whenever I watch any of the spinoffs, it's perpetually 1987. TV grew up, they didn't.

Star Trek is sci-fi action adventure with larger than life characters (Firefly is closer to the core material in that regard than any of the spinoffs). Its fun and I'm okay with that. Especially since it already has the perfect set of characters with Kirk, Spock and the rest of the TOS gang. And there's plenty of stories to still tell with those characters. Since 1990, there's been three films that focus on the TOS characters. That's twenty-five years, an eternity in the entertainment industry.

Finally, we're beyond the point where most audiences would ostracize the studio for replacing the original actors and I'd like to see that taken advantage of. Heck, if Harve Bennett had gotten his wish to recast and do an Academy film in 1991, we may have been spared the painful TNG films.
I personally did not enjoy TNG until its later seasons, and was confused by the earlier ones. Not sure if that was due to the material or the random order I saw it in-probably both.

Beyond that, I'm not sure that it is looking forward if another reboot is done. I mean, the character outlines posted are very interesting but not necessary to be set within TNG. I mean, they would work just as well in a future (in Trek sense) setting, but also remind me of characters from Gerrol's "Star Wolf."

I guess my point is, why reboot when you can avoid the dreaded reboot comparison of Picard 2.0 to Picard 1.0 with a whole new series?
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I guess my point is, why reboot when you can avoid the dreaded reboot comparison of Picard 2.0 to Picard 1.0 with a whole new series?
But this is something fandom loves to do. Just look at all the contortions done to try and explain that Prime Kirk was noble in his tampering with the Kobayashi Maru test and Abrams Kirk is somehow a jerk for doing the same exact thing.

At some point, another ship and another crew just become incredibly generic. Getting lost in other ships and other crews.
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I know this has been brought up a lot but I couldn't find something recent enough for this forum.

1. Could totally work.
2. Tom Mison as Mr Data.

Watching Sleepy Hollow and thinking he could totally be Data.
Methinks there won't be a TNG reboot any time soon.
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