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Old April 28 2014, 02:45 PM   #46
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One of the authors of the AAAS report on climate change, Katharine Kayhoe:

...if you look at the past four years of public opinion in the U.S., the belief that the seriousness of this has been exaggerated is at an all time high, since Gallup first started taking its poll back in 1998...

...So a big part of the resistance to climate change is that if we acknowledge it then we have to do something about it. And many people are not happy with the solutions that have been proposed. When you talk about climate change you hear words like “taxation” and “restrictions” and “limitations” To many people, those are fighting words. If you look at the history of the United States, why did the American Revolution happen? It happened because of taxation and government control.

Climate change is such a complicated issue because it doesn’t just involve facts, it involves reconciling this issue and its solutions with values that are very deeply held for many people today. We’re not talking about changing the chemicals in spray cans. We’re talking about changing the entire foundation of our society. Our society is founded on the premise of cheap and easily available fossil fuels that do not take into account the external costs of using those fossil fuels.
I doubt that many people who believe in the reality of climate change have a lot of confidence that the proposed changes in the way we live will necessarily solve the problem. So...
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Old April 28 2014, 10:21 PM   #47
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Also blindly believing that "we'll find a solution when we need it" like so many people do when it comes to topics like peak oil is just pure ignorance.
Actually, when it comes to peak oil, I'm pretty certain that immediately after it happens, renewable energy will take over at ludicrous speed. The technology is already there, but the will to invest isn't. But that will is there as soon as there is no oil left. And oil producers are not stupid either, they are already investing in a new cow while milking their old cow to death.
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Old April 29 2014, 02:16 PM   #48
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Thirteen percent of the available oil on the planet may be under arctic areas that are becoming drillable, as a practical matter, due to climate change. The world economy's not moving away from fossil fuels any time soon.
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Old May 2 2014, 11:39 PM   #49
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Russia's icebreaker fleet alone (32 ships) is one more than the rest of the worlds icebreakers combined. That oil isn't staying in the ground...

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There is plenty people can do to reduce their footprint: drive less, drive a more fuel efficient car....
--being dirt poor...I got that one down.

Come on fusion power...I don't want another 20 years to wait.
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Old May 2 2014, 11:54 PM   #50
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Welcome To The Future
(Robert Calvert, 1972)

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Old May 3 2014, 02:57 AM   #51
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That's nonsense. There is plenty people can do to reduce their footprint: drive less...
I use public transportation but they'll get my HDTV, my PS4 and my AC when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
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Old May 3 2014, 07:31 AM   #52
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That's nonsense. There is plenty people can do to reduce their footprint: drive less...
I use public transportation but they'll get my HDTV, my PS4 and my AC when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
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Old May 3 2014, 01:25 PM   #53
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I use public transportation but they'll get my HDTV, my PS4 and my AC when they pry it from my cold dead hands!
Your HDTV uses less power than your old CRT TV, and the digital transmitter uses less power than the analogue transmitter that was there before it, so one can say you were responsible to the environment by buying it. And all of them use less power than your stove when you cook. But you can still be responsible by turning off your set top box while you're not watching, and closing your window when you use your AC, and turn it off when the weather is nice enough, and if your house or building lacks good thermal insulation, work towards resolving that (which still doesn't work without an organised effort).
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Old June 9 2014, 01:09 AM   #54
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7 reasons America will fail on climate change
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Old June 9 2014, 02:39 AM   #55
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Thirteen percent of the available oil on the planet may be under arctic areas that are becoming drillable, as a practical matter, due to climate change. The world economy's not moving away from fossil fuels any time soon.
The great irony is that it was only made possible due to it. Think of how much better it will be when the ice caps defrost even more and more oil becomes available.
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Old June 9 2014, 01:13 PM   #56
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Yeah, there is some irony there. I think Klein has it pretty much right, up and down the line. Humanity will have to adjust to the changing climate as best we can.
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Old June 9 2014, 04:16 PM   #57
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Humanity will have to adjust to the changing climate as best we can.
We've been doing that ever since, man-made climate change or not.
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Old June 9 2014, 06:27 PM   #58
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Duh.
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Old June 10 2014, 02:12 AM   #59
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Yeah, there is some irony there. I think Klein has it pretty much right, up and down the line. Humanity will have to adjust to the changing climate as best we can.
The species will be fine, we've survived all sorts of disasters. Our society will most likely be fine, we'll just have to deal with stuff as it comes along. A lot of poor people and people in poorer countries are fucked though.
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Old June 10 2014, 03:14 AM   #60
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This kind of makes me feel better about my failure to reproduce.
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