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Old February 24 2014, 10:59 PM   #1
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Why you should want to upload yourself to a supercomputer!

http://www.sentientdevelopments.com/...urself-to.html
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Old February 25 2014, 12:34 AM   #2
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It won't be me. Only a copy.
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Old February 25 2014, 12:38 AM   #3
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I'm torn on the idea. Mental immortality would be interesting but what happens after a glitch or memory dump? I don't trust man enough to handle my thoughts.
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Old February 25 2014, 12:56 AM   #4
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We're still decades — if not centuries — away from being able to transfer a mind to a supercomputer. [...] Here's why you should seriously consider uploading.
lulz.
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Old February 25 2014, 01:00 AM   #5
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In the future, internet trolls will insult people by telling them to upload themselves.
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Old February 25 2014, 07:53 AM   #6
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I'd rather stay an unique phenomenon.
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Old February 25 2014, 12:17 PM   #7
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And everyone will scramble for the aliases "Neo", "Trinity", "Morpheus" and "Agent Smith."

"Me, two!"

As Sojourner pointed out, it won't be you, it will be a copy—assuming a copy is even possible. Consciousness will not move. It will be like that (rather silly) Arnold movie SIXTH DAY. Each individual will still suffer death. Eventually.

I think James P. Hogan said it best in the intro to his novel THE TWO FACES OF TOMORROW:

However, I am less persuaded by the paradigm of achieving AI through digital symbol manipulation that has dominated for the past half century. Throughout history, the current explanation of mind has always reflected the latest technology. Descartes envisaged it in terms of reflexes and the cuckoo clock. Freud's terminology of obstructed channels, diverted flows, and buildups of pressures was inspired by the complexity of the sewer system of Vienna. By the thirties the brain had become a telephone exchange, and with World War II an interacting network of servo loops and feedback circuits. These days, naturally, it has to be a computer ... but I'm not convinced that we've reached the end of the line yet.
In other words, our brains and computers are incompatible. Our minds are more than just the data we believe to be stored in the brain in computer fashion. Once you have all the data, you also need an emulator. If that emulator is anything less than perfect, you will no longer be "you," even if the construct appears to be such to everyone on the outside.

Even worse, the hackers really will have all your personal data!
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Old February 25 2014, 02:04 PM   #8
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When applied to something like a video game or interactive movie, it could work. Imagine a game where you upload your consciousness into a virtual realm which sends visual and audio information back to the brain. (this theoretical device would probably be a hundred terabyte system.)

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Old February 26 2014, 04:11 PM   #9
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We're still decades — if not centuries — away from being able to transfer a mind to a supercomputer. [...] Here's why you should seriously consider uploading.
lulz.
He's being conservate, there have been some recent breakthroughs on this, and also a lot of the brain mapping being done as well as the accelerated change of information technology should make such qualms moot because part of the goal is to make computer and human intelligence interchangeable. Decades is more realistic based on the math.

In other words, our brains and computers are incompatible. Our minds are more than just the data we believe to be stored in the brain in computer fashion. Once you have all the data, you also need an emulator. If that emulator is anything less than perfect, you will no longer be "you," even if the construct appears to be such to everyone on the outside.
This is what the general consensus has been for years, with really no evidence to back it up, it's all speculation that we have some "specialness" something more than the sum of our parts. We're finding out this isn't really true. Quantifying the brain seems well within the reach of computer power, and software (which was considered a weak point) has been proven to be up to the task as well.

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/exc...uture-the-mind

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Old February 26 2014, 04:17 PM   #10
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It won't be me. Only a copy.
It could be both or neither. Up to you.

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Old February 26 2014, 04:18 PM   #11
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Quantifying the brain seems well within the reach of computer power, and software (which was considered a weak point) has been proven to be up to the task as well.
Those are pretty bold statements. Got anything solid to back them up?
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Old February 26 2014, 04:42 PM   #12
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Quantifying the brain seems well within the reach of computer power, and software (which was considered a weak point) has been proven to be up to the task as well.
Those are pretty bold statements. Got anything solid to back them up?
Yes, I've already posted links on these particular claims before. The factual numbers on brain power can be found in numerous places but you could cut to the chase by reading The Singularity is Near. The very reason there are multpile highly funded projects on researching the brain for AI is because experts now believe it can be done.

The software argument is one I made several years ago after it was put forth as a major problem in developing AI, but it works here as well as a software "emulator". I posted a link on a governmet study that refuted the claim software was not keeping pace with computer power. It is also accelerated infotech.

Of course there have been two major books written about the brain in this context in the last year:

The latest: http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/exc...uture-the-mind

http://www.amazon.com/How-Create-Min.../dp/0143124048

How Kurzweil will help Google make AI:

http://www.wired.com/business/2013/0...eil-google-ai/

http://rt.com/usa/google-kurzweil-si...ity-brain-011/

More:

The money and the researchers:

http://www.popsci.com/science/articl...ns-immortality

False memory in a Mouse, NYT:

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/0...ype=blogs&_r=0

Hawking predicts brain uploading:

http://www.kurzweilai.net/hawking-pr...nto-a-computer

The Blue Brain project: One of many now. Headed by a neuroscientist:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Brain_Project

Ironically some neuroscientists criticized Kurzweil's last book.

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Old February 26 2014, 04:49 PM   #13
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Okay, then you basically have some speculation and blue-sky research that has yet to produce anything remotely applicable to humans. It's cool that this research is happening but it's hard to take your statements seriously when you make it sound like we're right on the precipice of it being a reality. That is clearly not the case, and you do everyone a disservice by exaggerating just how far along things are.
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It could be both or neither. Up to you.

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. . . Throughout history, the current explanation of mind has always reflected the latest technology . . . Freud's terminology of obstructed channels, diverted flows, and buildups of pressures was inspired by the complexity of the sewer system of Vienna.
Some people's minds are like a sewer.
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