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Old April 28 2014, 04:18 AM   #106
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Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

Yeah, Timothy Dalton was a fantastic Bond.
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Old April 28 2014, 02:18 PM   #107
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Dalton was probably the best, post-Connery, until Craig.
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Old April 28 2014, 03:08 PM   #108
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I'd agree with that assessment. I was a big Brosnan fan when he was around but none of his movies (save for Goldeneye) have really held up. He was a sort of 'greatest hits' Bond whereas all the others brought their own unique identity to the role. Heh, in fact, ignoring Craig for the time being, you can track all Bonds like albums:

Connery - Awesome debut
Lazenby - Difficult second album
Connery - Back to the well
Moore - Concept album
Dalton - Mature sound
Brosnan - Greatest hits
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Old April 28 2014, 03:24 PM   #109
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In regards to Orci directing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
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Old April 28 2014, 03:32 PM   #110
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So, you're saying that some dork running a fictional office in a tv series, whose main characteristic is that he can't find his ass with both hands, doesn't think Orci should direct?

Persuasive. Very persuasive.
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Old April 28 2014, 08:48 PM   #111
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Persuasive. Very persuasive.
Nah, you're taking it too seriously. I wasn't trying to persuade anyone.

Just kidding around.

Having said that, I would prefer an experienced director.
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Old April 28 2014, 10:17 PM   #112
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I'd have more faith in a tv sitcom director taking over than Orci. I'm not kidding, the Russo brothers killed it with CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER. It has similar themes STID had but handled them sooooo much better and tastefully.
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Old April 28 2014, 10:43 PM   #113
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I don't understand the reasoning behind assuming Orci would be a bad director. Even if you don't care for his writing or producing, directing is a different discipline, so he might be much better at it. There have been cases of first-time directors knocking it out of the park. In fact, 23 Best Director Oscar nominations have been for first-time film directors.

Of course, plenty of first-time directors are bad at it too, but that's just it: If he's never directed a movie before, we have no legitimate basis for forming an opinion about his directing skills either way. The only way we'll know whether he's a good director or not is if he actually directs something.
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Old April 29 2014, 03:47 AM   #114
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I'm not doubting Orci for his non-existent skills as a director, I'm doubting him based on his resume in Trek and beyond. As a director he'll have say over the screenplay, and that's where my main concern is because I don't think he has the talent to tell a good story.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:04 AM   #115
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I'm not doubting Orci for his non-existent skills as a director...
You mean untested skills. See above about all the first-time directors who've done excellent work. Just because someone's skills haven't been publicly demonstrated yet, that doesn't mean they don't exist.


I'm doubting him based on his resume in Trek and beyond. As a director he'll have say over the screenplay, and that's where my main concern is because I don't think he has the talent to tell a good story.
Whereas I think just the opposite. The problems I had with the two movies to date came more from Abrams and Lindelof, while Orci's ideas seemed better to me. For instance, from what I know of the original script to the first movie, the science was much less inane than what ended up in the final version; and in the second film, it was Lindelof who insisted on using Khan while Orci didn't want to.
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Old April 29 2014, 04:49 AM   #116
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That clip is never not funny.
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Old April 29 2014, 05:04 AM   #117
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I'm not doubting Orci for his non-existent skills as a director...
You mean untested skills. See above about all the first-time directors who've done excellent work. Just because someone's skills haven't been publicly demonstrated yet, that doesn't mean they don't exist.


I'm doubting him based on his resume in Trek and beyond. As a director he'll have say over the screenplay, and that's where my main concern is because I don't think he has the talent to tell a good story.
Whereas I think just the opposite. The problems I had with the two movies to date came more from Abrams and Lindelof, while Orci's ideas seemed better to me. For instance, from what I know of the original script to the first movie, the science was much less inane than what ended up in the final version; and in the second film, it was Lindelof who insisted on using Khan while Orci didn't want to.
He could use the camera better than Abrams for all I know, which would be fine, but as I said earlier it's his skills as a writer that makes me question whether he's suitable or not. I don't think he is, especially when he's daring fans to write better scripts than his. I'd only be truly intrigued if he were to direct this without ever having control over the script, or as they call them "directors for hire" like Marvel's approach. With Bad Robot backing him up, I doubt he'll settle for that.

Abrams, Lindelof, Kurtzman, Orci, they're all guilty as far as I'm concerned. Orci didn't want to use Khan? Great, but he still went for his 9/11 truther parable. Until Bad Robot as a whole is excised from the Trek franchise, I'm very cynical over it's future.
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Old April 29 2014, 06:37 AM   #118
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I'd have more faith in a tv sitcom director taking over than Orci. I'm not kidding, the Russo brothers killed it with CAPTAIN AMERICA: THE WINTER SOLDIER. It has similar themes STID had but handled them sooooo much better and tastefully.
And what exactly did the Winter Soldier do so well that STID did not? Because from what I saw, the plot in that film, and I say this as someone that enjoyed it, was absolutely ridiculous and had plot holes you could drive the Enterprise or a helicarrier through.
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Old April 29 2014, 07:31 AM   #119
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I won't deny there's still craziness to both flicks, but THE WINTER SOLDIER works things out much better. It handles the balance between humor and seriousness much better by not going too broad either way, the characters are more believable and inspirational, the story and action go well together without ever having that feeling that someone wrote it thinking "we need a action beat, it's been five minutes long". And, this is just my own opinion, where Trek hits low and automatically makes it an inferior film is when it gets into that 9/11 truther parable that to me personally feels like an insult to everyone that had to go through that horrible moment. I'll be watching CA again soon a second time, so I might be able to elaborate more on these points. For now, that's the gist of it.

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I'd agree with that assessment. I was a big Brosnan fan when he was around but none of his movies (save for Goldeneye) have really held up. He was a sort of 'greatest hits' Bond whereas all the others brought their own unique identity to the role. Heh, in fact, ignoring Craig for the time being, you can track all Bonds like albums:

Connery - Awesome debut
Lazenby - Difficult second album
Connery - Back to the well
Moore - Concept album
Dalton - Mature sound
Brosnan - Greatest hits
I'll give you my Trek variation.

Connery - TOS
Lazenby - TAS
Moore - TNG
Dalton - DS9
Brosnan - VOY
Craig - ENT
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Old April 29 2014, 12:35 PM   #120
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He could use the camera better than Abrams for all I know, which would be fine, but as I said earlier it's his skills as a writer that makes me question whether he's suitable or not. I don't think he is, especially when he's daring fans to write better scripts than his. I'd only be truly intrigued if he were to direct this without ever having control over the script, or as they call them "directors for hire" like Marvel's approach. With Bad Robot backing him up, I doubt he'll settle for that.

Abrams, Lindelof, Kurtzman, Orci, they're all guilty as far as I'm concerned. Orci didn't want to use Khan? Great, but he still went for his 9/11 truther parable. Until Bad Robot as a whole is excised from the Trek franchise, I'm very cynical over it's future.
Of course, none of this makes any real sense.
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