RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,213
Posts: 5,437,503
Members: 24,952
Currently online: 464
Newest member: secondhandmeth

TrekToday headlines

Cumberbatch In Wax
By: T'Bonz on Oct 24

Trek Screenwriter Washington D.C. Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Oct 23

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies XI+

Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old May 29 2014, 12:48 AM   #781
urbandefault
Captain
 
urbandefault's Avatar
 
Location: Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

I have to agree with Dennis and BillJ, among others.

The plot wasn't hard to understand. It wasn't unnecessarily convoluted. It was, in my pedestrian opinion, a decent Star Trek movie. That's why I watched it, why I own it, and why I will continue to have in rotation on my personal video playing machine thingy.

The only part I really don't care for is Spock's scream, and I can get around that. Not a dealbreaker for me.

I tend to take these movies for what they are: entertainment. I read the threads here hoping to find little pieces of things I might have missed. Things that will make the next viewing more enjoyable.

What really bothers me is the attitude of some that these discussions must be conducted with someone's idea of structured rules. Strawman? Please. Take it back to Debate Club.

We're real people with real opinions, likes and dislikes. I don't think we should have to back up every opinion or random memory or offhand comment with 27 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

Every thread seems to deteriorate to the same complaints over and over and over. Ok, I get it. These movies are not perfect. They never have been and they never will be. Roddenberry's "vision" was not perfect. Berman and company were not perfect. None of the productions from TOS through STID are perfect. But they are Star Trek, and that's what I want to see.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
__________________
"GARY BUSEY!" - Gary Busey
urbandefault is offline  
Old May 29 2014, 12:50 AM   #782
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

urbandefault wrote: View Post
The plot wasn't hard to understand. It wasn't unnecessarily convoluted. It was, in my pedestrian opinion, a decent Star Trek movie. That's why I watched it, why I own it, and why I will continue to have in rotation on my personal video playing machine thingy.

The only part I really don't care for is Spock's scream, and I can get around that. Not a dealbreaker for me.

I tend to take these movies for what they are: entertainment. I read the threads here hoping to find little pieces of things I might have missed. Things that will make the next viewing more enjoyable.

What really bothers me is the attitude of some that these discussions must be conducted with someone's idea of structured rules. Strawman? Please. Take it back to Debate Club.

We're real people with real opinions, likes and dislikes. I don't think we should have to back up every opinion or random memory or offhand comment with 27 color glossy pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.

Every thread seems to deteriorate to the same complaints over and over and over. Ok, I get it. These movies are not perfect. They never have been and they never will be. Roddenberry's "vision" was not perfect. Berman and company were not perfect. None of the productions from TOS through STID are perfect. But they are Star Trek, and that's what I want to see.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
+1
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 12:52 AM   #783
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

Franklin wrote: View Post
If you filled it with exposition, rather than leaving something to the imagination of the audience, yes, you would have a damn long movie.
And you know perfectly well that is not what I'm talking about. You don't need to "fill a movie with exposition" to have a plot that makes sense and fits together without your audience needing to rewrite its basics for you.

Again, come on. You're pretty clearly smart enough for me to know that you know that. If you want to agree to disagree I'm fine with that, but don't resort to playing dumb like that.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 12:56 AM   #784
Boo! Did I Scare Ya?
Admiral
 
Boo! Did I Scare Ya?'s Avatar
 
Location: bbailey861 - Kingston, ON
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BillJ wrote: View Post
BigJake wrote: View Post
...
As many times as you try to paint Star Trek Into Darkness as "broken", it simply isn't. Marcus is trying to start a war with the Klingons, everything feeds into that theme. For all the issues you claim to have following the plot, me and many others simply don't have them.

Are there nits I could pick with this particular version of Star Trek? Sure. Absolutely. Just like I can pick nits at the other seven-hundred plus hours that preceded it.

I know you have a tough time with folks finding the film fun to watch. I know that you have a tough time when folks take your points and show you the dozens of other times where Trek acted in a very similar manner. But, in the end, those are your problems. For me, the Abrams films are the closest the franchise has gotten to "feeling" like TOS in a very, very long time. I am tickled by that. When I walk into the Abrams films, I feel like a kid again taking in the wonder and excitement of the universe through characters I love.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan wrote:
McCOY: You okay, Jim? How do you feel?
KIRK: Young. I feel young.
What he said.
Boo! Did I Scare Ya? is offline  
Old May 29 2014, 12:59 AM   #785
Franklin
Rear Admiral
 
Location: In the bleachers
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BillJ wrote: View Post
Franklin wrote: View Post

To me, coherency is lost in a story when certain information is absent and the effect of its absence on the plot can't be well-explained. I thought most of it in STID could be explained quite satisfactorily. You don't. We conflict. I'm right. You're right. That's part of the joy of living in a pluralistic society.
To this day, I can't figure out why the Borg went all the way to Earth and battled Starfleet in Star Trek: First Contact instead of going back in time in the Delta Quadrant and cake-walking all the way to Earth. But, damn, there are a Hell of a lot of people who enjoy that movie immensely.

Who am I to tell them that they're wrong?
Exactly. As I've said, Khan not beaming up Kirk bothers me a lot, but my guess is the writers wrote themselves into a corner. If they have Khan beam Kirk up, too, it's end of story. So, they change his motivation. Some bought it, some didn't. And, it's not like it's kept me from watching TWOK a few times a year for the last thirty years, either. (Damn! The movie is over thirty years old?!)

When someone comes across the perfect movie, please post it here.
__________________
Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. -- Mark Twain
Franklin is offline  
Old May 29 2014, 01:03 AM   #786
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BillJ wrote:
Who am I to tell them that they're wrong?
Someone telling you why they don't like something is not them telling you you're wrong to like something. How can it be you don't grasp that? It isn't complicated, honestly.

Franklin wrote:
When someone comes across the perfect movie, please post it here.
... aaand now expecting a plot to make sense is demanding "the perfect movie." Yep. That'll do.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 01:07 AM   #787
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BigJake wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote:
Who am I to tell them that they're wrong?
Someone telling you why they don't like something is not them telling you you're wrong to like something. How can it be you don't grasp that?
If it was you simply explaining and debating what didn't work for you that would be one thing. But like I said in a prior post, you have went from claiming the Abrams films aren't aging well to Abrams making campy Trek films to how the plot "objectively" doesn't work.

You've been on a campaign for quite a while to tear down Into Darkness. The thing is I can't tell if you're being serious or if you're simply doing it for shits and giggles.

Franklin wrote: View Post

When someone comes across the perfect movie, please post it here.
This is the thing that bothers me the most. People comparing Star Trek Into Darkness with a "Star Trek" that never existed to begin with.
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 01:10 AM   #788
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BillJ wrote: View Post
But like I said in a prior post, you have went from claiming the Abrams films aren't aging well to Abrams making campy Trek films to how the plot "objectively" doesn't work.
Welcome to life. Sometimes things you like will have actual flaws.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 01:11 AM   #789
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BigJake wrote: View Post
BillJ wrote: View Post
But like I said in a prior post, you have went from claiming the Abrams films aren't aging well to Abrams making campy Trek films to how the plot "objectively" doesn't work.
Welcome to life. Sometimes things you like will have actual flaws.
Like most of the seven-hundred hours of Star Trek?

I'm watching "The Trouble with Tribbles" right now. No way Cyrano Jones gets aboard a Federation facility with a Tribble. No way Kirk would be as flippant about the grain and Baris authority.

Still one of the top episodes of Trek.
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 02:05 AM   #790
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

urbandefault wrote: View Post
What really bothers me is the attitude of some that these discussions must be conducted with someone's idea of structured rules.
I honestly don't care whether it "bothers" you that I expect someone's responses to me to be relevant to something I actually said, sorry.

Every thread seems to deteriorate to the same complaints over and over and over
"Why Do You Keep On Having Opinions" is also pretty weak sauce. A conversation happened in which questions were asked and answered. You can choose to be part of that or not, not everyone is an Arguer and that's cool, but it's really not up to you to lecture other people about whether they should be having arguments.

I mean, you can try as you please, just don't expect it to be convincing. You're on a public forum, for God's sake.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 02:18 AM   #791
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BigJake wrote: View Post

"Why Do You Keep On Having Opinions" is also pretty weak sauce.
No one minds you having opinions (we all do). Where it has begun to rub me wrong way is when you present them as some immutable fact.
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 02:21 AM   #792
urbandefault
Captain
 
urbandefault's Avatar
 
Location: Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot pie!
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BigJake wrote: View Post
urbandefault wrote: View Post
What really bothers me is the attitude of some that these discussions must be conducted with someone's idea of structured rules.
I honestly don't care whether it "bothers" you that I expect someone's responses to me to be relevant to something I actually said, sorry.
And that's ... ok. Because you're good enough, and smart enough, and doggone it, people like you.

Every thread seems to deteriorate to the same complaints over and over and over
"Why Do You Keep On Having Opinions" is also pretty weak sauce. A conversation happened in which questions were asked and answered. You can choose to be part of that or not, not everyone is an Arguer and that's cool, but it's really not up to you to lecture other people about whether they should be having arguments.

I mean, you can try as you please, just don't expect it to be convincing. You're on a public forum, for God's sake.
So it's ok for people to have opinions, but not ok to have opinions about people having opinions, even when they're the same opinions over and over and over? Ok, fine. that's your opinion.
__________________
"GARY BUSEY!" - Gary Busey
urbandefault is offline  
Old May 29 2014, 02:25 AM   #793
BigSnake
Rear Admiral
 
BigSnake's Avatar
 
Location: No matter where you go, there you are.
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BillJ wrote:
Where it has begun to rub me wrong way is when you present them as some immutable fact.
Far as I can tell my opinions "begun to rub you the wrong way" from like my second post here in the fall. Which is cool, after all there's only so much I can (or will) do about that.
__________________
Weasels rip BigJake's flesh!
"I wanna read more" - Dennis "I . . . agree with everything you said" - SPCTRE "I blame Cracked" - J. Allen "Take me off" - The Stig
BigSnake is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 02:29 AM   #794
BillJ
Admiral
 
BillJ's Avatar
 
Location: Covington, Ky.
View BillJ's Twitter Profile
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

BigJake wrote: View Post
...
Sometimes I find you a fairly intelligent poster. But other times you simply try too hard and it shows.
__________________
"If I hadn't tried, the cost would have been my soul." - Admiral James T. Kirk, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
BillJ is online now  
Old May 29 2014, 02:36 AM   #795
doubleohfive
Fleet Admiral
 
Location: Hollywood, CA
Send a message via Windows Live Messenger to doubleohfive
Re: 全tar Trek 3′: Roberto Orci Wants to Direct

Star Trek Into Darkness was a superb film.

I had a lot of issues going into it because people had basically spoiled half the damn thing for me in the weeks leading up to the film, but once I got past that I found the story, the characterization and the film itself as a whole to be quite satisfying, relevant to what's going on in the world today and more importantly entertaining.

Now, you guys can debate this till you're blue (or green) in the face, but that's my take on it. Critically and financially, it seems to be the case as well.

Based on that alone, I have complete faith that Bob Orci, a fan, will do a fine job with the third installment. Any other fretting, concern, ballyhooing, or crying about it is entirely premature and unnecessary.
doubleohfive is offline  
Closed Thread

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 01:41 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.