RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 138,963
Posts: 5,391,995
Members: 24,720
Currently online: 667
Newest member: Amywholoveswine

TrekToday headlines

Forbes Cast In Powers
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

Dorn To Voice Firefly Character
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

No ALS Ice Bucket For Saldana
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

Free Star Trek Trexels Game
By: T'Bonz on Aug 22

New Trek-themed Bobble Heads
By: T'Bonz on Aug 21

IDW Publishing November Trek Comic
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Pegg/Wright Trilogy In The Works
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Star Trek: The Compendium Rebate Details
By: T'Bonz on Aug 20

Gold Key Archives Volume 2
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19

Takei Documentary Wins Award
By: T'Bonz on Aug 19


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Star Trek Movies > Star Trek Movies I-X

Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old April 18 2014, 04:14 PM   #1
SimpleLogic
Lieutenant Junior Grade
 
Location: Dallas, TX
View SimpleLogic's Twitter Profile
Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

I just started rereading The Genesis Wave and in it is a report that makes the connection that the Klingons started overmining in response to the Genesis incident. I mean from their point of view there is this torpedo than can remake planets so in turn they start overproducing everything in preparation for war. I had never really linked the two but it does make some sense since we saw how outraged the Klingon Ambassador was over it.

Anyone else think it is a good explanation for the moon exploding?
__________________
Are you sure it isn't time for a colorful metaphor?
SimpleLogic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2014, 05:14 PM   #2
Ar-Pharazon
Rear Admiral
 
Ar-Pharazon's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

They were paranoid and figured the Feds would torpedo the moon and turn it into something other than a ball of dilithium.

Same mentality, over-mining leading to the instability.
__________________
Rimmer, on what period of history to live in-
“Well, It’d be the 19th century for me, one of Napoleon’s marshals.
The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general of all time and kill Belgians” - (White Hole).
Ar-Pharazon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2014, 08:47 PM   #3
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

Treknologically speaking, dilithium was never mentioned as being present on Praxis. The place was a "key energy production facility", and we don't really know if dilithium produces energy or can be used in processes that produce energy. So far, we've only seen it used in processes that consume energy.

Personally, I think Klingon paranoia killed Praxis rather directly: fearing Federation or Romulan infiltrators, they quadrupled the number of anti-personnel mines per corridor meter, and failed to appreciate that when somebody did step on a mine, it would now detonate the mine next to it, too, and that one would detonate the next one, and the next one...

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2014, 09:07 PM   #4
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

The reason was that they mined the entire moon for some minerals used in 23rd century energy production, and that stuff exploded. Explosions in mines are common accidents. And that one was space-d up.

I see no reason for complicated explanations.
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2014, 09:31 PM   #5
Ar-Pharazon
Rear Admiral
 
Ar-Pharazon's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

Timo wrote: View Post
Treknologically speaking, dilithium was never mentioned as being present on Praxis. The place was a "key energy production facility", and we don't really know if dilithium produces energy or can be used in processes that produce energy. So far, we've only seen it used in processes that consume energy.

Personally, I think Klingon paranoia killed Praxis rather directly: fearing Federation or Romulan infiltrators, they quadrupled the number of anti-personnel mines per corridor meter, and failed to appreciate that when somebody did step on a mine, it would now detonate the mine next to it, too, and that one would detonate the next one, and the next one...

Timo Saloniemi
So....Klingons never heard of dominos
__________________
Rimmer, on what period of history to live in-
“Well, It’d be the 19th century for me, one of Napoleon’s marshals.
The chance to march across Europe with the greatest general of all time and kill Belgians” - (White Hole).
Ar-Pharazon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 18 2014, 09:41 PM   #6
King Daniel Into Darkness
Admiral
 
King Daniel Into Darkness's Avatar
 
Location: England again
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

I think it was something unstable enough that it could have gone at any time (see: Into Darkness, where it's already exploded 25 years earlier). The parallel was Chernobyl, which also could have happened at any time.
__________________
Star Trek Imponderables, fun mashups of Trek's biggest continuity errors! Ep1, Ep2 and Ep3
King Daniel Into Darkness is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 19 2014, 12:45 AM   #7
Timo
Admiral
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

The same way 9/11 could have happened at any time?

Chernobyl was "a disaster waiting to happen" only in the same sense that the World Trade Center was. I mean, skyscrapers? Ooh, inherently deadly! But beyond that, it would take malice or idiocy to wring a disaster out of those, or out of Chernobyl, which was a relatively nicely and safely working atomic plant with plenty of failsafes to compensate for certain well-known risks in the design. Nothing could compensate for people who shut down failsafe after failsafe for the heck of it, though.

"Overmining" sounds like a very specific act of stupidity, but it's difficult to see how it would lead to an explosion as such. Work pressures and other indirect effects from lots and lots of mining would of course make an accident more likely to happen - but this tells us nothing about the nature of that accident. What could explode with such a force in a mine?

Well, any fictional substance X might blow up if hit the wrong way with a pickaxe or a mining phaser, I guess. But why would that be the result of "overmining" specifically? I do think some fairly complicated explanation is needed there.

(But no, my exploration of the alternate meaning of "mining" wasn't expected to be a serious explanation...)

Timo Saloniemi
Timo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 19 2014, 03:04 AM   #8
Captrek
Rear Admiral
 
Captrek's Avatar
 
Location: Second star to the right
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

SimpleLogic wrote: View Post
I just started rereading The Genesis Wave and in it is a report that makes the connection that the Klingons started overmining in response to the Genesis incident. I mean from their point of view there is this torpedo than can remake planets so in turn they start overproducing everything in preparation for war. I had never really linked the two but it does make some sense since we saw how outraged the Klingon Ambassador was over it.

Anyone else think it is a good explanation for the moon exploding?
It reminds me of the theory that the Soviet Union collapsed because of the expense of the arms race. I think the theory is more an excuse to credit the event to Reagan than something based on reality.
Captrek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 19 2014, 11:03 AM   #9
JarodRussell
Vice Admiral
 
JarodRussell's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

Overmining means lack of safety and lots of time pressure on workers. That's how accidents happen.
JarodRussell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 19 2014, 02:07 PM   #10
xvicente
Commander
 
xvicente's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

I don't see how "overmining" whould cause the entire body to explode. If they had said it was a munitions depot it would be more believable.

I'm OK with "energy facility" on the other hand. An explosion is energy liberation.

Also, the image of Praxis in Sulu's screen was kind of childish.

__________________
-----------------------------------------------------------

I am here to talk about Star Trek and chew bubble gum.
and I'm all outta bubble gum.
xvicente is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 23 2014, 04:55 PM   #11
Mytran
Fleet Captain
 
Mytran's Avatar
 
Location: North Wales
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

You mean how only a tiny fragment of Praxis is left? Or did you mean the graphics surrounding it? If so, didn't you know that graphics in the future will suck?
Mytran is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 23 2014, 05:25 PM   #12
Cyke101
Rear Admiral
 
Cyke101's Avatar
 
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

I do like how that small fragment of Praxis appears to still have its atmosphere intact, somehow.
__________________
“You do not use science in order to prove yourself right, you use science in order to become right.”
Cyke101 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 23 2014, 05:46 PM   #13
Melakon
Vice Admiral
 
Melakon's Avatar
 
Location: Unmarked grave, Ekos
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

I know I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning, because it occurs to me Praxis would be a good name for a car. "The 2015 Toyota Praxis. For the excitement you crave."
__________________
Moe: I'll take the blonde!
Larry: I'll take the brunette!
Curly: I'll take the Black and Tan!
--Wee Wee Monsieur (1938)
Melakon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old April 23 2014, 06:33 PM   #14
2takesfrakes
Commodore
 
2takesfrakes's Avatar
 
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

There is absolutely no connection to Genesis. Even by TVH, the implication is that GENESIS was a failed experiment that was abandoned once the "controversy" started. TFF presented another opportunity for the Klingons to press their case for Genesis and it never came up. The Genesis "Tape" wasn't trotted out at any point to pad the movie with, either. The explaination of "overmining" and "insufficient safety precautions" was explicitly stated by none other than Mr. Trivia Knowledge himself, Mister Spock. And Genesis had plenty of opportunity in STAR TREK VI, especially with Meyer at the helm, to play a part directly and it wasn't even hinted at. I don't know what it is about fans and STAR TREK authors that they feel the need to connect dots that aren't connect-worthy. Like V'GER and The Borg. There's no end to it ...
__________________
It Takes Two.™
2takesfrakes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old April 23 2014, 08:27 PM   #15
RoJoHen
Awesome
 
RoJoHen's Avatar
 
Location: QC, IL, USA
Re: Was Praxis a result of Genesis?

We don't really know what they were mining or how. For all we know they could have been drilling for oil all the way down to the moon's core. Maybe they hit a pocket of something that erupted and blew the planet straight to hell.
__________________
I am the Quintessential Admiral.
RoJoHen is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:32 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.