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Old August 3 2014, 03:00 PM   #196
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Re: MAN OF STEEL: Another look

And in the late '30s/early '40s he threw thugs out windows and ran them into the paths of their own bullets....
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Old August 3 2014, 03:35 PM   #197
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It's the weirdest frakking thing. Grant Morrisson and Mark Waid took issue with the level of destruction and Superman killing in MOS. But in later interviews they said the level of action in MOS was fine but the collateral damage in civilian areas is what bothered them. So it's a matter of venue that rustled their jimmies. Superman and Zod fighting in a city is wrong, but Superman wailing on Zod from Earth, Mars and all the way to Pluto is ok.

Also with the scenario Morrisson outlined, it makes it seem like he's ok with the villain dying, just as long as Superman doesn't kill him. Idk about you but dying of asphyxiation in space would be an ugly way to go. I don't see how Superman comes away more of a hero allowing Zod to suffocate in the vaccum of space than Superman choosing to break Zod's neck in the defense of that family and all of humanity.
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Old August 3 2014, 06:52 PM   #198
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1. It was an empty city and people did not die
2. The excessive destruction had a purpose -- to show how rash and irresponsible Superman is. To show how he has fallen from the hero that he used to be.
3. The destruction was shown in a negative light and people, such as Captain Marvel, were disgusted by Superman's actions. Superman's actions hurt the reputation of the Justice League and empowered power like Amanda Waller and Lex Luthor to stand against them.
I'm not really sure why people are just focusing on this episode. There were plenty of others involving Superman duking it out with some supervillain or giant robot/alien monster in the heart of Metropolis, as numerous buildings got either partially destroyed or leveled along the way (and that's not counting the animated movies where they dialed the destruction up to 10).

Granted, it was a cartoon, and far less grounded than MOS purported to be, but it still makes it clear that this is something pretty common in the Superman world.
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Old August 3 2014, 09:46 PM   #199
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I loved MOS. It is by far my favorite Superman movie. I actually am tired of the Superman caused all of the destruction arguments. I was fine with the level of destruction as it was depicted and feel that Superman ended us saving more lives than deaths that were caused. I also had no problem killing Zod, I am one of those that felt he killed Zod in Superman II. But as long as it was done with a bit of humore people were fine with it.
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