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Old April 20 2014, 12:48 AM   #16
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Re: Dr. Bashir allowed to practice medicine

^You don't think the SF Academy entrance procedure requires producing a complete medical history? It does for the American military academies.
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Old April 20 2014, 02:41 AM   #17
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Oh no - I absolutely think that. The dialogue in the episode explicitly states it:

From Bashir:
Any genetically enhanced human being is barred from serving in Starfleet or practicing medicine.
... So yeah, clearly Bashir and/or his parents pulled some strings and falsified records to get him into Starfleet (as Bashir said his folks had previously done so when he transferred schools as a child), and, as I said - his position in Starfleet Medical probably helped in allowing him to keep a low profile. The enhancement was a crime to be sure - but the necessity of covering of it up over the years probably muddied the waters even further.
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Old April 20 2014, 02:44 AM   #18
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Voyager's reset button had a cameo in this episode.
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Old April 20 2014, 03:28 AM   #19
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That depends whether you think a routine medical scan would perform a complete DNA analysis.

As we know, in the Star Trek universe a routine physical involves laying on your back and pumping your legs on an inverted stairmaster. I'm not sure that would out Bashir as as augment.

Unless somebody was directly comparing his IQ tests when he was 6 to his IQ tests when he was 8 or doing a complete genetic scan which I assume is only done in utero to correct any genetic diseases or in the case of unexplained diseases, how would anybody be able to discover he was an augment?
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Old April 20 2014, 11:14 AM   #20
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It's the 24th century. A tricorder can make a DNA analysis in a minute.
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Old April 20 2014, 12:50 PM   #21
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^There's no room for the genetic engineer to improve--to make his work appear "natural?"
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Old April 20 2014, 03:21 PM   #22
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Why should genetic engineering show up in DNA scans? It's not like they made a "Made in UFP" stamp on his genes.
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Old April 20 2014, 03:44 PM   #23
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It's the 24th century. A tricorder can make a DNA analysis in a minute.
It can do macro level DNA analysis to determine what species the DNA is from in a minute, it can't do micro level analysis to even identify an individual, much less calculate what traits that DNA would result in.
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Old April 20 2014, 03:51 PM   #24
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
JarodRussell wrote: View Post
It's the 24th century. A tricorder can make a DNA analysis in a minute.
It can do macro level DNA analysis to determine what species the DNA is from in a minute, it can't do micro level analysis to even identify an individual, much less calculate what traits that DNA would result in.
I don't know, I never used one.
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Old April 20 2014, 04:11 PM   #25
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Whenever on the show they're scanning a biological sample or something, they are able to determine the species but not the identity of the individual.

"These remains are human!"

Not

"These are the remains of a fair skinned, dark haired woman who is 5'7" and good at sports".
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Old April 20 2014, 05:10 PM   #26
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... but certainly Bashir would have had to submit to routine medical exams and screenings as we know that Starfleet Officers often need to do.
Makes sense that he would have had a fairly extensive medical exam when he first entered Starfleet.

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Old April 20 2014, 07:17 PM   #27
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Re: Dr. Bashir allowed to practice medicine

Although Bashir's parents had him genetically enhanced, Julian became a good and loyal doctor, who saved countless lives and improved the lives of numerous others. So, I think the needs of the many overruled the crime of his parents.
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Old April 20 2014, 08:46 PM   #28
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I thought the Bashir Can't Be Smart Naturally concept pretty terrible, especially when they tried to make it a birth defects parable. It completely upends the character, and they didn't even have the courtesy to tell the actor about it in advance.
It wasn't really a case of "he can't be smart naturally", it was more, "He can't be THAT smart naturally." He was pushing the limits of what even a Vulcan could do in terms of mental calculations.
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Old April 20 2014, 09:51 PM   #29
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JirinPanthosa wrote: View Post
Whenever on the show they're scanning a biological sample or something, they are able to determine the species but not the identity of the individual.

"These remains are human!"

Not

"These are the remains of a fair skinned, dark haired woman who is 5'7" and good at sports".
Because that was never important informations in these cases?
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Old April 20 2014, 10:46 PM   #30
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Bashir's not the one who committed the crime. He didn't genetically augment himself.

Starfleet compromised. In exchange for the actual criminal agreeing to prison without defending himself, Starfleet got an eminently qualified doctor to stay on one of the most important outposts in the quadrant. This worked out pretty well for Starfleet.
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